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Determining spoke length?

Old 04-23-19, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ceelint View Post
Figured the spoke length out.. thanks a ton guys. Any suggestions on spokes now?

I float around 200lbs so I'll probably go 2x front and 3x rear

Front:
2x: 286 l&r
3x: 300 l&r

Rear:
2x 287 left/ 286 right
3x 301 left/ 300 right
If it's a difference of 1mm in spoke length left/right on the rear, you probably don't have to worry about it at all. Most places that sell spokes don't even offer them in 1mm increments in my experience.
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Old 04-23-19, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
Always good to measure what you have before ordering spokes. There is disagreement online about the correct ERD for those rims, and whether a given measurement includes the head of the spoke nipple. Sometimes parts vary from lot to lot, as well.
H+Son website says 610 as well
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Old 04-24-19, 03:15 AM
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BTW, if you need a wheel building reference book, here is a PDF of The Art of Wheelbuilding http://tri.by/content/files/artofwheelbuilding.pdf

Easy to follow lacing method at page 67 which can be adapted for 2x lacing.

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Old 04-24-19, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ceelint View Post
H+Son website says 610 as well
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I like to measure everything before I order spokes, even if there is a lot of data out there. Up to you.
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Originally Posted by phtomita View Post
I built it with Sapim Laser and brass nipples for 20 front and 24 rear and very happy with the wheels. I am at 140 lbs.
I second this. 2x R, 1x or radial F.

Edit, can you even do 2x on a 20h hub?
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Old 04-24-19, 12:59 PM
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Two cross front (20h) and rear (24h)

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Originally Posted by 50voltphantom View Post
Edit, can you even do 2x on a 20h hub?
Yep, although it's the most you'd want to do.
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Old 05-01-19, 04:57 PM
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Alrighty... Got the front wheel laced up but based on the existing spoke divots I can't place the valve where I'd like.




Everywhere I read online stated the TB14 to be center drilled, which mine are not 😕... So it's not allowing me to place the spoke in the hole I want to... Ugh


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then flip 180 degrees the rim, or the hub?
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Originally Posted by phtomita View Post
then flip 180 degrees the rim, or the hub?
flip the rim or hub and it's the same thing both ways.. lol
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Originally Posted by ceelint View Post
flip the rim or hub and it's the same thing both ways.. lol
yup.....
I remember when I laced the Archetype, I had the same issue because it is not center drilled.
But I got right after re-doing it.
Spoke tensiometer?

I followed the tips from Sheldon Brown to start from the hole next to the valve hole.
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Old 05-14-19, 12:51 AM
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Thanks for usefull links. I used the calculator on the DT Swiss site, which worked fine for me.
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Old 09-20-19, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by phtomita View Post
Two cross front (20h) and rear (24h)

Wrong. saddle not horizontal.
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Old 09-24-19, 09:42 PM
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Kstoerz "FreeSpoke" has worked for me...also great database of Shimano hubs
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Old 09-25-19, 11:54 AM
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Wheels have been built already, thanks for your input tho
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