I agree the Pauls seem a bit 'off' in terms of what the rest of the bike delivers visually. They've been good to me and weigh the same as Suginos so I'm not sure where to go from here. Maybe Campy cranks, I did want to try the new FSA track cranks but my shop veto'd that suggestion quickly.

This wasn't about balling or anything, just finding the right ride. I rode steel and it was plush and lovely but heavy. Once I rode steel I wanted to try aluminum. I liked aluminum a lot, it was snappy and light and I thought I was done. The longer the rides got, the more aluminum just wore me out. So then I started saving my money for what I wanted to try next, carbon. After riding the Tange, you guys can all slam this bike, call me what you will and insult me or the shape of the dropouts and fork all you want, but the ride quality is amazing. If you haven't spent time on a carbon frame and you come to SF I'll let you ride it and then you can insult the bike. Its the comfort and dampening of steel and the snap and light weight of aluminum. I love it.

So this is more and wrong and 'hipster-ish' than someones first bike being a 100% period correct Paramount or full njs ride? Please, at least I can honestly tell you why I prefer this to brand x this or dented njs that.

I just fail to understand why you would buy a stupid light frame and choose that crankset. Since durability was clearly not a concern whats wrong with the FSAs? Also wheels like that for non-race purposes are purely for the OCP and SFBling contingent. They just don't make sense for people who actually care about riding the bike rather then how it looks. Finally, I hope those bars are good for those rides too long to be comfortable on Al.

They hate, because they want.

And anudder thing, since when did he spend your money on his bike? I guess until that happens, jonb can spend and build what jonb sees in his mind to do.

Now, can we please get back to slamming on that purple and white Pista Concept, becaue at least that thing looks bad. . .;)

Making proper sense isn't everything to some people Dutret. I can't speak for Jonb of course, but for me "making sense" comes in different forms. Like being happy with something in terms of looks. Or the fact that I can accept trying out some pretty crazy stuff without worrying about the little aspects of practicality.

Sometimes going out with handlebars smaller than my shoulders is fun, and that is enough for me at that moment.

Sorry Dutret, I suppose I should also post the Deda drops that I have so I can show you the entire range of set-up options available to me for this bike. Maybe I should also measure the width of my risers for you, to convince you how wide they are and equally unhip. Then in a few weeks I will follow up these photos with some photos of myself and the bike at Hellyer for the novice training days, though admittedly it will be my first time at the track. Then perhaps we can go log a 50 mile ride together and then maybe after all that it will be ok for me to post these photos.

Sounds like a long term relationship bound for failure to me. :)

But, now that you mention it, show me the pics of it with the drop bars. More pics, more pics.

It's ok for you to post whatever you want. But it is also ok for me to post about it. What I see in that bike is someone with more money then sense and little else. I hope you decide to actually ride in on the track and my guess is that if you do seriously the two most absurd choices will be changed out within a couple of seasons.

the problem, jonb, is that when you posted your bike, you failed to explain that you did not in fact epoxy the handlebars into your stem (like everybody else!), so really you can't blame people for thinking that those bars were a permanent fixture and that it was the only possible setup that would make your bike get ridden.

Epoxy? Psssffftttt, I carbon wrap mine. duhhhhhhhhhh.

38mm aluminum rims. Just... wow.

here here. also, and i don't go mountain biking, but don't a lot of xc and all-mountain guys go like on looonnng ****ing rides with riser bars??? they don't have anatomic drops and **** on there. and look at his saddle to bar height. it looks totally practical and comfortable. or am i just ****ing crazy.

that said, a diff. clincher set-up for street thrashin' would be good, and i would go with black 75's prob.

but in all seriousness congrats on building the bike YOU wanted

jon, when are you riding around next? i want to play with that thing. i recommend getting rid of the conti sprinters for street use, they ride heavenly but the have next to no puncture resistance. i've killed 4 of them on little pieces of glass.

just out of curiosity Dutret, what do you ride? can we see some photos?
and I was wondering how long it was going to be before your negative A$$ showed up to tell us how horrible we are for spending money on what we want. I guess you had to wait until you were in your cubicle before you had a computer in front of you... because god forbid you would waste money on a computer.... yea you have a right to your 2 cents, but do you always have to be such a COMPLETE F#@CKING A$$HOLE?

You have no choice with a xc bike. You need the control mtb bars give you and so flats or riser with bar ends are about the best you can do without getting into super funky things. This is even more the case when the fatigue of a longer mtb ride sets in. Also with the exception of crazy marathon races people mtbers go on shorter rides then roadies in general.

Off topic but this is a misconception that seems to prevalent here. There is no functional difference between risers and flat bars. Risers tend to be a little bit wider and therefore have a little bit more sweep to accommodate this but there is no reason why this must be the case. Risers also suffer a weight penalty.

this ain't the roadie forum.

More exactly god forbid I waste a beautiful weekend writing long winded rants on this board.

There are few things I despise more then the SF style. It's like if you took the worst OCP roadie and made them forget everything the knew about performance.

Also i posted pictures of my commuter a last week. It is probably exactly what you would expect me to ride. I have other bikes that are far less utilitarian but all of them are built to ride not look at or post pictures of. I have better ways of expressing my individuality then spending more money then the next guy.

You would be wrong in your assumption even on the track traditional clip pedals are on their way out.

That tange needs that crazy sugino 75 carbon disc crank/chainring.. or just some FSA love.

[QUOTE=dutret]More exactly god forbid I waste a beautiful weekend writing long winded rants on this board.

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I think those went up around 11pm.
maybe if you worked harder, insted of posting long winded rants at work you would have more money to buy carbon bikes......I know you don't want them.

try hating on the inside for awhile ....didn't your mama tell you if you don't got anything nice to say don't say any thing at all.

but double straps were all over the worlds in LA

I have never said anything even remotely approaching that. I am just opposed to taking a high performance frame and setting it up with no mind for performance or using stupid light parts on a bike and then abusing it.

double straps with clipless pedals. its more a safety thing.

Poor dutret just needs a hug. C'mere, big guy!