do those states require permit to carry concealed or otherwise? I've been considering applying for my concealed carry permit in PA, then at least I have it if i choose to carry.

It seems obvious to me that you all ride way too slowly.

Where in Milwaukee and how late?

In states that allow ccw, it is normally a larger offense to not kill someone and draw on them than to pull a gun and kill someone in self defense. As the former implies that you were not in a life threatening situation, which is the only time at which using a gun in self defense is considered legal.

THIS elevnty.

Legally guns aren't allowed for use as deterrents. They're only allowed to protect yourself or a loved one from the threat of immediate harm/death, usually some state laws have different mileage and it's best to know yours locally before you tote anything around with you.

Personally I can't be botherred to carry right now but if I figure out a comfortable situation to load my HK around that I think would really be useful and quick enough on the draw I'd do it.

Right now I just have:



Honestly I'd actually take my chances with that and a U-lock over a pistol weilder at close range. Unless the guy goes to the range regularly and practices moving targets the odds are heavily weighted in my favor.

Katana would be better, but until they make a mess bag with a quick draw sheath I'm stickin with the auto-knife.

Got one of those in my pocket too.

I probably live in a rougher city/neighborhood than all you guys combined that are carrying guns (portland, milwaukee, houston...come on, give me a break) and I dont care anything besides my u-lock and fists.

in my pocket:

My daddy always told me there is no such thing as a fair fight. Either you have the advantage or the other guy does. So I'm just being prepared, I got a u-lock too. But if the other party has something more substantial, so do I. I learned the hard way, by getting a .44 mag shoved in my face for my car. Catch me slipping once, shame on me. Try that carjackin/bikejackin sh*t again and you get a hydrashock in the *****.

You guys live in a screwed up country if that is necessary.

Come on man!! The eastern warsaw pact is just as bad. I use to live in Poland born and rasied. Been all over that region, hell your bordered by Romania for christ sake!! Don't get me wrong its beautiful but you'd get killed for you bike there quicker than in Houston. And in most place in europe you can't even think about a CHL license.

the fact that people can carry guns around on their person really bums me out.

dc's repudiation of the second ammendment ftw.

Also, I used to live in the heights neighborhood in Houston, so I am Laffin at your tougher hood. Where exactly do you live Vladivostok?

I'm pretty sure Houston has as rough of neighborhoods as any city in this country.

First of all, you don't pull a gun out if you don't intend to use it, meaning shoot the person. The perp can take the gun from you. Or pull their own gun out and shoot you.

Second of all, where in Milwaukee and what time? I was out last night, intoxicated on my bike and everything was cool, even in sketchy Riverwest.

Only people carrying guns around on their person illegaly FTW!

What's FTW mean?

For the win?
Full time wiener?
**** time warner?

Just wondering.

On a more sober note one of my best friends was murdered in a robbery in this area a few years ago.

Fact is, you never know wtf is gonna happen where. Better to cover your own ***** than end up in an f'ed up situation and no way to deal.

I'd expect for those that live in such a rough neighborhood they'd have already learned this lesson, but I'm going to go with internet tough guy persona attitude ftl.

For the win!

Started as a gamer deal.


Also "in our base killing all our Dudez."

internet balla needs to step up his real life game

Internet tough guy, that's me!! I shoot IDPA, and self defense three times an week, had a CHL since I was 21. Never had to use my gun, but I'm 380-390 out of 400 most days out to 75 ft with my G27. I can use my weapon when I have to. If your in Houston swing by Shiloh Shooting range, I'm there most of the time with my brother. I ride my bike there all the time.

Damn, where'd you learn to shoot like that?

Only guy I know that can do that with a pistol is a Marine corps marksmanship instructor.

I'll be in Houston the weekend of May 9th, if you're really down I won't have any firearms but you can rent at that range?

I'll be visiting family down there and I want to teach my dad how to use a scope. PM me if you're interested I might know of some long range people we can go with to see if we can do 1000 yards or something.

75ft with a pistol is pretty hardcore though man.

I've been shooting a long time with a pistol, just recently started shooting open class IDPA, and GSSF. Actually my younger brother is better than me, he beats me most times we enter competitions together. You can rent most anything at our range from Glock to HK to 1911, but its pistol only. There are a few long ranges nearby.

+1

Either of you been to Bailey's down here in SW Houston? Piece of shiz joint... range nazis galore.

That place is a hole. I'm about ten minutes by bike from my range and I'm great friends with the owners. So it's the only place I shoot anymore. I used to go to Carter's Country but those guys have been dicks to people in the past too. I'm happy with my small range.

I don't carry a gun, but seriously shut the **** up.


I could care less who carries a gun, I am pro bill of rights, and that means all of it.