I don't think everyone was in on the joke... but no matter.

"Not to get into a political argument, xxx but herein lies one of the main political arguments ever laid between the left, right, and inbetween."



Cunning.


The federalist papers, available to anyone have several very specific references by the people who wrote the constution clearly stating that the right to bear arms was an individual right of the citizens of this country distinctly not the state's right alone.

THe supreme court has reiterated on several occasions dating back to the mid 1800's that the right to bear arms is also an individual right, as is clearly stated in the bill of rights. Lawyers involved with any constitutional law that disagree with this are an almost non-existent minority.

Your view point and interperetation are contrary to legal standing, and are primarily based upon your personal beliefs.

This argument is moot though, as we all know the Supreme court is going to redecide this for us currently. Which should be very interesting considering that it's highly likely our next President is going to want to re-enact the AWB.

If you're interested in taking the Militia route I suggest you to investigate "The dick act".

Every able bodied Man or Woman between the ages of 18-42 is technically a non-standing militia member. In the case of an invasion on American soil we're all to resist foreign opression. Exactly who is going to arm all of us, in the case that we're activated.



I can tell you none of the states have halls for of firearms sitting around waiting for that event.

Honestly, I think we're all f'ed though.

George Bush is an f'ing moron, so are Obama, Mccain and Hillary. They're all power mongers, each of 'em just wants to dick us a different way than the other.

You shouldn't attack people for using the bill of rights to represent their rights. That's what it's for, not representing your personal beliefs. People value the right to protect themselves. I don't expect that to change anytime soon.

gunnnnnnnnnnnnns

My comment regarding my lack of desire to get into a political argument is just that, I dont want to get into an argument over it, I dont much care whether you carry guns or not. I'm simply saying the way I've read the bit in the bill of rights it has struck me as ironic that people use it as grounds to carry a gun for self defense. As I've said, one way or the other makes little difference to me. I'm not attacking anyone either, I dont carry a gun, because I dont feel the need to. Different people interpret the bill of rights different ways "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." doesnt scream "everybody carry a handgun!" to me. But as you said, thats just me exploiting the bill of rights to attack people and represent my personal beliefs. I've been caught.

I'm also not particularly interested in getting drawn into some sort of extended political discussion on a bicycle-related forum, but I'm going to have to disagree with your interpretation of current understanding of the 2nd amendment likeahorse; the Circuit Courts aren't in agreement about what the 2nd amendment means and SCOTUS has yet to definitively rule on the issue. The Federalist Papers aren't the be all and end all, as I'm sure you're aware...

I should add... depending on the ruling in the DC handgun ban case, this may well be settled soon.

never let ur guard down
if worse comes to worse, ull do more damage to the pedestrian than he does to you

ps. milwaukee sucks

were you delivering pizza, Hiro style?

Fair enough, I just think it's a bit snarky to start a comment discouraging people from responding, and then laying out your political argument.

As you understand I simply couldn't resist responding once the ball got rolling.



I'll leave it at that though I've said how I feel, so 'eh.

u lock as club ftw

so we've established a pistol isn't the best idea.... now how much trouble do you get in if you one hit someone with a fahgetabodit in the face? you going to go to jail if they were trying to jack your ****?

All true, we'll definitely see what the long run is going to be here pretty soon.

The Federalist papers aren't even law abiding, they simply prove without a debt the intent of the framers which is often argued as the reason behind abolishment of the second ammendmant. It's self defeating to assume they intended this to be in regards to a militia 100 years before there was such a thing, when the Federalist papers make it pretty plainly clear as to what they meant when they put it in there.

Either way I have a feeling once Scotus decides something the circuit courts are going to be awash with activity for awhile.

I wish we had more than a two party system. I hate for people to think I'm on the other side of the fence than they are because of one issue.

**** that lol, If you're not riding through the hardest neighborhoods 24/7 you're basically teh gheyz

On the street 9 times out of 10 it's going to come down to your word against his. Cops will arrest both people if the answer isn't obvious what's going on and leave it to the courts to figure out.

If the courts are left to figure it out and you smashed his face in, you're not gonna look like the best guy around, that's for sure.

Of course, that's assuming you don't just joust right into his face and ride away.

You've never lived on the edge until you've ridden through an FLDS compound on a Sunday night with beer in your handlebar coaster!

Jeremy Horn will eat your face.

I'm a pretty stereotypical left-winger. I organize anti-war walkouts and marches, I (will) vote democrat (which I suppose isn't very radical at all. I'm just excited to be able to vote. 18th birthday FTW), and I find myself identifying with a lot of anarchist/libertarian points of view.

I'm also going to be buying a gun soon. I wouldn't carry it around with me as there is nothing I carry on my person that is worth dying for. However, because I believe very much in democracy, I believe in the individual's right to own a gun. It either has to be everyone or no one; if the government has guns, I want one. If the military and the police want to give theirs up, I will give up mine. Also, as a Jew with relatives who died in the camps, you can bet that if any group, governmental or otherwise tried to take away my freedom or the freedom of anyone I love, I wouldn't sit by and let it happen. Never again.

As for bikes and guns, I'd rather give up my possessions than my life, so there is no reason for me to carry something that can kill. I'll fight someone no problem, but killing over possessions is quite possibly the number two reason for the problems this world has (number one, of course, being killing over ideas).

Something that the police academy drilled into my head:

Only the executioner at San Quentin has the right to kill. Civilians have the right to "use deadly/lethal force".

You shoot a guy and he dies, you didn't kill him; you used lethal force.

Just wanna get that straight in case anyone here ends up going to court over an issue like this. Of course, your lawyer would've probably advised you on this...

riding away ftw... unless there are witnesses, then you might get some ****t charges on your ass right? I mean, possibly attempted murder right?

who would stick around anyways

Well, if it helps you identify with anything at all, I constantly argue with right wingers in gun forums about Global Warming, privacy laws, what an ass every single right wang party member/pres candidate they've put forward other than Ron Paul is a lying piece of crap.

So while I won't be voting at all during the next election, as all the candidates are equally hopeless to me I understand how you feel.

If you want help choosing a firearm, or learning how to really use it as opposed to just loading and shooting PM me. I go pretty regularly, and I'd be happy to hang out with any 18 year old that organizes anti war walkouts and wants to learn to shoot. Hahaha.

Once it's in the courts hands it depends on how good of an attorney you end up against.

So, if you're to believe in justice assuming we're riding in a poor neighborhood he probably won't be able to get **** pinned on you.

If you did it in a nice neighborhood you'd be f'ed for life.

In the ghettoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUWC3mHmlUs

you know the kid from "Bowling for columbine" with all the guns in his pants... well i pack more then him,, when i go to sleep.



naw i kid... really good at knowing when to quit and i can ride really ****ing fast when needed (why fight when you can just keep going?)

I've heard people say it's considered assault with a deadly weapon if the blow is dealt above the knees unless you are in physical danger, though I have no idea how much truth that holds.

alright, knees it is

Is it deadly to have your calfs bashed in? I mean, you probably have more knowledge on the subject than I do, but i always thought it made sense, damage below the kneecaps is generally far from fatal, though getting cracked in the shins sucks bad.