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I'm a pretty stereotypical left-winger. I organize anti-war walkouts and marches, I (will) vote democrat (which I suppose isn't very radical at all. I'm just excited to be able to vote. 18th birthday FTW), and I find myself identifying with a lot of anarchist/libertarian points of view.
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Yeah, and in Alabama you just get the permit to carry concealed. So many people here packing heat, crooks think twice(at least the smarter ones do)
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With grammar like that I'm curious who is more confused. I didn't say I was libertarian, I said some of the ideas (smaller, less invasive government) appealed to me. I don't believe in anarchy, but I believe in individualism within a system. If that makes me confused in your eyes, then so be it.
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With grammar like that I'm curious who is more confused. I didn't say I was libertarian, I said some of the ideas (smaller, less invasive government) appealed to me. I don't believe in anarchy, but I believe in individualism within a system. If that makes me confused in your eyes, then so be it.
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However, in pretty much all European countries including not-too-well-off Hungary, you only need to think about self-defense if you decide to ride through the sketchiest parts of a large city at night. Even then only if you're a bit paranoid.
There are ****ty neighborhoods here that I wouldn't like to walk through at night, but that's because of aggressive drunks more than armed robbers. Cycling is not much of a problem even in those areas. You're gone by the time anyone really notices you.
Getting killed for your bike... no bloody way unless you pull out a gun, the guy takes it away from you and uses it when you take out a knife as well... Realistically, you could get beaten up and that's it. I guess one could get fatally stabbed in a fight but that is more likely to happen in a bar fight anyway.
And that's how it should be IMO.
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I'm pleasantly surprised this thread has not turned into a knee-jerk anti-gun thread. somehow I have always thought of bicyclists as super-liberals with narrow minds about everything. I think the fixed gear scene is different and thats why i like it. its more real (from the street).
the thread we had about the guy who grabbed his bike thief in the neck pissed me off. the main poster who was annoying is from my state (which is a big liberal state full of bleeding hearts). a few people tried to say he went "too far" by grabbing his neck and i was like WTF??? So the fact that there are many sensible gun owners here makes me feel proud. Americans who are law abiding and respectful absolutely deserve to carry concealed. it doesnt make everybody a gun freak, its just the way it is here.
the thread we had about the guy who grabbed his bike thief in the neck pissed me off. the main poster who was annoying is from my state (which is a big liberal state full of bleeding hearts). a few people tried to say he went "too far" by grabbing his neck and i was like WTF??? So the fact that there are many sensible gun owners here makes me feel proud. Americans who are law abiding and respectful absolutely deserve to carry concealed. it doesnt make everybody a gun freak, its just the way it is here.
LIBERAL, and narrow minded?
God damn I hate America's mindset.
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Also, I probably would never have a gun on me for any reason in any situation.
'thou shalt not kill' didn't have a side note of 'unless someone threatens you'. I don't see a need to carry a gun, move to a place where you don't have people threatening you, and you don't need a gun. Besides my family's hunting rifles, and police officer's guns, I've never seen one. I'm glad it will probably stay that way.
**** gunz.
'thou shalt not kill' didn't have a side note of 'unless someone threatens you'. I don't see a need to carry a gun, move to a place where you don't have people threatening you, and you don't need a gun. Besides my family's hunting rifles, and police officer's guns, I've never seen one. I'm glad it will probably stay that way.
**** gunz.
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Please don't criticize someone for stereotyping while stereotyping. There is no "American Mindset." I imagine your mindset is very different than your neighbor's. Nothing is different south of your border.
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It is possible, but the GOP stands in direct opposition to the issues which I hold most important. Their official party line on the war, abortion, and the death penalty is enough to dissuade me from ever voting for them.
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Something that the police academy drilled into my head:
Only the executioner at San Quentin has the right to kill. Civilians have the right to "use deadly/lethal force".
You shoot a guy and he dies, you didn't kill him; you used lethal force.
Just wanna get that straight in case anyone here ends up going to court over an issue like this. Of course, your lawyer would've probably advised you on this...
Only the executioner at San Quentin has the right to kill. Civilians have the right to "use deadly/lethal force".
You shoot a guy and he dies, you didn't kill him; you used lethal force.
Just wanna get that straight in case anyone here ends up going to court over an issue like this. Of course, your lawyer would've probably advised you on this...
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[The Federalist papers] simply prove without a doubt the intent of the framers which is often argued as the reason behind abolishment of the second amendment. It's self defeating to assume they intended this to be in regards to a militia 100 years before there was such a thing, when the Federalist papers make it pretty plainly clear as to what they meant when they put it in there.
The Federalist papers represent an effort on the part of three known primary authors (Madison, Hamilton, and John Jay) to encourage ratification... they represent one view-point, but not the only one. At the same time, you're correct in that they provide evidence of some pretty important/influential framers' perspective... they aren't definitive, but neither are they meaningless. But make no mistake, they were meant as propaganda (in response to the work of the anti-Federalists).
More problematically, the authors of the Federalist Papers weren't necessarily even in favor of the Bill of Rights (fearing it too limiting).
So... while influential as historical documents outlining some of the framers' views and motivations, the Federalist papers are not the be all and end all. They're one more source to be considered when determining Constitutional issues related to the Bill of Rights.
PS: you might also want to look into whether the colonies had militias, you'll find they did (I suspect you meant National Guard).
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PS: I wanted to be clear I'm not picking on you likeahorse... my own interpretation is that the 2nd amendment was meant to protect individual's rights, not a collective right (the militia view)... although I recognize there may be a legitimate state interest in regulating handguns. Squaring the two is tricky...
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It's good to find liberals that aren't crazy anti-gun types. And it's good to see a (more or less) civil discussion going on.
Missouri requires you to be 25 to get a concealed carry permit, but when I turn 21 I plan on buying a handgun and practicing.
That said if I end up going to school in Chicago you can kiss that goodbye.
Missouri requires you to be 25 to get a concealed carry permit, but when I turn 21 I plan on buying a handgun and practicing.
That said if I end up going to school in Chicago you can kiss that goodbye.
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Im not saying you didnt almost get jacked and I dont mean any offense. Its just hard for me to understand why you would be riding so close to someone in the middle of a well lit steet, with your friends, and have something like this happen.
P.S. I think I saw you on the Eastside the other day. If you see a Jamis Sputnik with gold bars come say Hi. My names RJ.
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**EDITED my first paragraph out so that I don't have to have another political argument...
But... people on this thread keep writing "I wouldn't carry a gun to protect my bike"... This is not the point.. The act of being robbed or beaten is in itself the reason to protect yourself. Its not about the bike or the money. Its about the theory that you have a right to walk (or ride) down a street without becoming a victim. You have a right to live safely.
But... people on this thread keep writing "I wouldn't carry a gun to protect my bike"... This is not the point.. The act of being robbed or beaten is in itself the reason to protect yourself. Its not about the bike or the money. Its about the theory that you have a right to walk (or ride) down a street without becoming a victim. You have a right to live safely.
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when people respond to a post talking about someone trying to jack their bike with talk of packing heat while riding their bicycles, there seems to be an implication raised related to using their firearms to defend their bicycles against would-be thieves.
having read the entire thread I'm willing to accept that's not what's being suggested, but it could come across that way.
having read the entire thread I'm willing to accept that's not what's being suggested, but it could come across that way.