[QUOTE]Again, you are clueless if you think different bikes, geo and they way people are built with not affect what frame they buy. I never saidSO is the most important thing to look at when buying a bike. I said you can always go just by TT length or ST like you emntioned. Fro some pepole, SO is important. If you have short legs and a long torso, you think TT is the only factor? Yes, get a clue.



Did I say I went down a size? I should have said MAY force someone to go down a size. MY bad there.



And only you info is correct??



I never said his saddle was too high duma$$! I said to look up experts Dr. Andy Pruitt and Paul Swift of Bike Fit. No, I am not an expert but learning about fit more and more everyday.

Just going by your attitude. Yet you the one that has given zero real info about fit. None. You the one starting insults. Who didn't get their bottle today?

You really are a dumbass! What did I say?

You idiot! Read!

Read carefully what I said.

My they video said 10-20 degrees like I said.

That whole obscure the front hub thing is a starting point, agreed?

The video is good. Like he said, a good starting place and baseline. Like I said.

Ok, but if the TT length is fine, but the frame is still too big for that person? Long torso and arms and short legs? So its nt only about TT at times like I said. If you can't reach the pedals, that you can't track stand.

Are you really this illiterate? Since I've been quoting all your contradictions, why don't you start with something called PROOF, or find where I said that it doesn't matter.
Do you really think everyone has such a different bike that sizing would be so much different? Is it because all designers have their own little magical invention room to follow their own creative geometries that aren't even similar?
So is it safe to say, again, that most (meaning a majority, dimwit) people here either ride generic "track" Taiwanese frames or road conversions?
And how drastically different a geometry would those bike designers follow? How about a 90 degree st and ht angles? Jesus christ are you totally insensitive to reality and who members are here and what they ride?
Oh yeah we're all hipsters and "run red lights and stop signs" with no brakes! You want me to prove your stupid attitude since your first post to "help"?
and look what I just noticed:
Last time I checked, All - Most = Some
I think that's enough of your "compliments" and "advice".

wow, If I were you I'd go back to school and learn something called GRAMMAR and READING

You just love contradicting yourself don't you?

From the above comments you made, we can see you lack something called proof and citation, which is something you obviously don't understand, and is enough to see who started insulting whom first.

Oh, you'll change your position now won't you? Agree with something you rejected earlier?
TomoIshi's quoted video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAl_5...eature=related
was the same as the first video I posted:
I'd love to hear what you have to say now, especially since the OP said my advice has made a more comfortable ride
and TejanoTrackie's years of experience suggests it is works.

So after all this, you've been going around in circles, then contradicting yourself, then on with the insults. So this time maybe start straight up with some facts?
If it doesn't kill you, I'd suggest you start reading and coming up with PROOF. You might have to look up what that means, but I'm sure with your intelligence you'll find a way.

I find it funny on how almost every thread on the singlespeed/fixed forum ends with an argument.

I have to agree, but it was quite educational. Let's get back on discussions.

I have been waiting for someone to point out the back posture. You know, straight upper back and a bit bent lower back. (So pelvis stands up) This seem to put a lot of weight off my hands in my short experience and my roadie book confirms this. But that's for roadie bars and not for bullhorns like RB021.

I am thinking the original poster and I (the NOOBs, thank you very much) tend to simply replace the roadie bars with a bullhorn without redo fitting with that bullhorn. This seems to work perfectly for some bullhorns, but I have a lot of problems with RB021 AKA drop bullhorn. And, I am having extremely difficult time finding fitting information such as pictures/videos of people riding properly fitted bullhorns. (Sometimes, I find few, but they are taken from behind which is totally not helpful ... not to mention uninteresting. )

So I tend to ride any bars but bulls. It's a shame really. I have a LBS selling bunch of RB021 at 40cm and 42cm at discount.

You do understand this is still related to how the stem length / height, right?

No dumb ass!! YOU said for the OP to raise his saddle! I said"Nope I did not view it. I am going by what the top experts recommended. Having you seat to high or too low can also lead to injuries. Having a saddle too high like you recommend can and will lead to injuries. Even JRA. But again everyone is different." That is a FACT!

Just because you advice lead to him be comfortable for now, does NOT mean it right. He might not be comfortable after a longer ride and more time.

I watched the video and it said the same damn thing I said the first time. Twist my words all you want. That video in regards to saddle height is exactly what I said.

yes, I should spell check and not type so fast. Proof reading before I post would be a good idea. But who cares!

es, again if you knew anything about bicycle frame, many form Taiwan, China, USDA, etc all can and do have different geometry. Having a frame with different angles can and does affect fit very much. People bodies and fit do differ drastically. Why do you think compact road frames have become so popular? easier to fit more individuals. This allows a shop to stock less bikes of many different sizes and easier for factories to build.

What TejanoTrackie said about that video is the SAME that I said. You really do need to learn to and listen! Again twist my words all you want. Call me names, complain about my spelling and what not and hurl insults. You have zero idea what you are talking about.

I am done and welcome to my ignore list. I obvious your experience in the realm of cycling is nil to none. I keep believe i am arguing with someone like you.

Also I am sure you fail to realize that some drop bars and bullhorn with different lengths of reach can also affect fit.

You started the whole thing by saying someone's saddle was too low and he did not even post a picture with him in the proper position to even make that assumption or judgment.

Here is a excel spreadsheet that I have that will help when comparing fit between bikes. If you have a road bike and want to position yourself to the same fit or you FG/SS or vice versa, this will help..

It will also help you see how frame of different geometries will effect fit and set-up.

enjoy! It helped my and hundreds of other to compare frame and overall set-ups.
https://light-bikes.com/files/bike_compare.xls

see attached photo on how I set my FG to feel and fit like my road bike.
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can i get the cliffs for some of these posts?

@DIRT BOY: I was backing you up... Read what I said, but try it with your sarcasm voice

Ok, sorry!

But you know what? I solved my fit issues with the hot spot on my feet with a mid-foot position thanks to Steve Hoggs advice! So close, LOL!

wow. the **** really hit the fan on this thread.

I'm very appreciative of ALL the help and tips I've received so far. I've taken ALL posts into consideration and am combining ALL the advice to have a better general idea of what is right/wrong/etc... even if some opinions vary and contradict each other. As I go, I'm continuing to figure out which advice is working for me and which not so much.

Thanks a lot to all of you.

I'd love for you to show me where I "twisted" your words. Up to now, you still haven't provided any quotes or evidence to prove what you've said, whatsoever!
Unlike you, I don't need to see the exact part of every single thing to to picture a leg down to a vertical crank position.
and AGAIN when did I ever say that things can't be different? I am simply noting that most frames designed for fixed gear riding are VERY SIMILAR, where you then said he needs a frame a SIZE DOWN because it's a FG frame.

All you're doing now is dismissing this whole argument simply because YOU can provide no PROOF.
I have quoted every single thing that you have said and contradicted and all you did was say I "twisted" them without telling how, and then proceeding to insult (again) and calling me a dumbass.

And the video: if you support what TejanoTrackie said, which was the video I posted, why are you even arguing?
Oh right, maybe because you didn't even BOTHER to look at the video I posted before arguing that what I said was wrong.

When I saw the photo, I can definitely tell that his leg was too bent, even in that position. If you can't see that, it's not my fault.
Then I posted further instruction for him to find his fit, IN ADDITION to my speculation.
If you now suddenly, or always have, supported what was said in the video, which I originally posted, whose fault is it you're arguing against something you so support?

Let me make this clear, I realize measurements for frames, geometry, people can be different. I just don't agree the extent you have taken this fact to apply to all fixed gear frames, that require a SIZE DOWN, which measurements would probably be completely thrown off.

Sure frames have different sizings, that's why you should measure and determine the specs of the frame yourself and not just go by what's written.
And the frame angles affecting a person's fit? That's just puzzling, unless you mean they are enough to affect the length of the TT, ST, and other measurements. Someone riding a 54cm touring frame can very well ride a 54cm track frame, despite their angle differences. (different methods of sizing, i.e. center to top, center to center, etc, aside)
Let me point out that there's also the difference between the actual TT and effective TT, (and ST) the latter being the factor for sizing.

And you're right, I have yet to learn the fit properties of the reach of handlebars, but you're not the one to talk, since you've indicated you're only still learning the complete fit of a bike as well.

Where the hell did I say the OP need to size down a bike? Why would he size down when his bike might appear to be too small? I don't need to quote you. You are lying you ass of on what I said.

What did the video say that you said? Nothing!!!! You can tell form that picture he was too low? Wow, you amazing! Can you tell me the Powerball Numbers as well?

That video is just basic stuff and I did not need it! I mentioned what saddle height should be without watching it and I was right! READ what I said and LISTEN to the video. Same comment. about saddle height.

Possibly. Depending on the riders anatomy, angle HT length etc. Soo many factors it not funny.

Most people I know that ride SEVERAL types of bike from different brands do NOT end up n the same sizing. Like me. I will ride a small horizontal TT frame and a larger compact. Most riders will have the same experience.

Again I never said EVERY rider will have to size down for EVERY Track frame. But many will it BB height will effect SO that does not make them comfortable. Again putting words in my mouth.
This also lends to why most riders on their FG have stem that are too short. They sized down because of SO and their effective cockpit is too short.

Like I said the first time. I left out may: " Track geo and higher BB may force more riders to go a size down." Is this everyone?

Get lost!

Oh really? Do I need to spell everything out for you?
YOU said:

But at least you've finally acknowledged your mistake.



Well it seems you know everything about bikes then.
This was not a case of "needing" to watch it, but rather realizing exactly "what" you were arguing against.
If you said that was basic stuff, why do you reject it/my suggestion?
Hey, I'm not psychic, but compared to my riding form, his form is way different in the photo. But you would've known that, since you don't need to watch anything!
You're just going to blindly assume everyone is wrong and you're right because you don't "need" to hear what others say.
Your limitless knowledge really amazes me. Which then leads me to question why you are still on these forums when you could be publishing books!

no kidding. blah blah blah

Yeah, but it was very educational if you filter out the noise. I for one am grateful for starting this thread, Nate.

I would like to know how it turns out for you with your bullhorn, which I understand is Nitto RB-021. So far, I haven't find anything reliable for me to work on with that particular handlebar. As I said before, it is a real shame for me not being able to fit that bar considering how sexy it looks.

Glad my thread was useful to others!

What exactly about the RB021 isn't working for you? Not finding a good position with it? Is it the deep drop?

Cause I will admit, it did feel kind of awkward at first. But I was used to wide risers, so I'm thinking it probably wasn't so much the RB021 itself, as it was just getting used to bullhorns in general. After a few rides I have to say it's feeling pretty damn good. I'm mostly riding in the flat section of the horns. Barely ever get on the tops, except to grab the brake. To me, control feels a lot more solid on the horns, especially for sprints and climbs (already finally did a lot of that during my ride yesterday). It's certainly grown on me, and once the longer stem arrives and my position improves, the RB021 can only feel better.

With or without the MAY, I newer said the OP. Again twisting my words. If you read correctly: " Track geo and higher BB force more riders to go a size down.". Still this does not mean the OP or everyone. May mad it more clear.

No I did not know everything about bikes. But I do clearly know more than you.

I don't need that video and form that photo you cannot his seat was too low. That's you uneducated guess.

I never rejected you suggestions.I just rejected on how hight that the OP should possibly raise his post. You advice was basic. But you argued about SO and overall hit where you are full of useless info.

I try to help with what I know on this FG/SS board. In my observance, lots of newbies are here that never owned a properly fitting bike or only have any real knowledge of bikes in general.





Well it seems you know everything about bikes then.
This was not a case of "needing" to watch it, but rather realizing exactly "what" you were arguing against.
If you said that was basic stuff, why do you reject it/my suggestion?
Hey, I'm not psychic, but compared to my riding form, his form is way different in the photo. But you would've known that, since you don't need to watch anything!
You're just going to blindly assume everyone is wrong and you're right because you don't "need" to hear what others say.
Your limitless knowledge really amazes me. Which then leads me to question why you are still on these forums when you could be publishing books![/QUOTE]

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Umm your seat needs to be raised like 5cm before you can even figure out whether or not your stem is too short.

just remember, its not the size of the stem that matters. its how you use it.

"It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean"

I think the OP is wearing the wrong jeans. Dial in your denim situation and you'll find your bike will fit much better.