My current frame is the Windsor Clockwork. I'm kinda interested in to upgrading it to a Eighthinch Scrambler V3 frame in Raw. Is this a worthy upgrade? Or is it just a lateral move?

diagonal. Beefier frame but why really the scrambler? Its nicer build quality but will not really help performance (weight) at all.

I really like the look of the raw. And can't beat it especially for the price. Any other frames you guys recommend under $200?

I say wait til the new year.

v4?

weight isn't everything.

SE Lager 149$: https://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...2_10000_200334

Iro Mark 4 W/ Fork 279$: https://www.pricepoint.com/detail/174...set-W_fork.htm

Motobecane Team Track: https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...team_track.htm

Ok. I know 2 of those are out of budget. But look at it like this.

SE Lager: Great frame. Will last a long time with proper care and is bangin deal from nashbar. You can probably wait a week or two or just call them and ask but they usually have a coupon for free shipping or another 20% off. This to me is just as diagonal move as the eighth inch. You probably will want to upgrade frames again before strapping any dura ace or top quality stuff to it.

Iro: Tried and true frame. A little more expensive. Id go for the Lager before I got the Iro. They are very similar in weight and quality. The Lager is just much cheaper.

Moto Team Track 349$: This is a really good step up. Great frame thats much lighter and just as durable as the previously mentioned. While it is way out of your price range, with the sale of your old frame and maybe a little more time to save you could bag this one.

In the end choose what you like bud. None of the frames mentioned are bad at all. Just how you intend to use it and if you want to upgrade it.

( Performance is not equal to weight. It is however related. And when you go from riding a 25lb clockwork to a sub 20lb or sub you will greatly notice it.)

Yeah, i'm not one of those "weight freaks". I just need a beefier frame that will stand up to the urban conditions where I live

No, just cuz.

Upgrade the engine. I think the thing to do with a single speed frame (or any for that matter) is to find one that fits perfect and has the geometry you like (aggressive and agile, BB height, and such). Don't worry if it's a step up or not on make and such.

Going from a Clockwork to a Lager makes absolutely no sense. They're practically the same damn frame. Going from the Clockwork to a Scrambler - while it may be a rather lateral move - is at least getting you a different type of frame. For the money, a Scrambler V3 is a pretty bombproof bike. I say do it.

Either that or save your pennies, wait a little while and get something that's a considerable step up.

lager is on citygrounds for 125, 25 cheaper than nashbar. still a lateral move

scrambler frame with cable guides and weird gussets is gross imo. not worth it. raw is cool though.

anything under 200 will be a sidegrade or slightly better. save the extra $ and upgrade your tires.

If you live near San Jose, go to Willow Glen Bikes and get one of their frames. Kaisei tubing (I think), Chain tensioners, good track geometry. $275.

the idea of "upgrading" your frame for <$200 is ridiculous. you're not going to get anything significantly better than the clockwork for that kind of scratch.

Those Leader 722s are pretty close to your budget and look nice.

If your frame isn't broken, you don't need a beefier frame. If you want a new frame, go ahead and buy it, but don't think of it as an upgrade. Upgrading a street bike is kind of a false concept.

+1 on what has been said. Dropping $200 on any of those frames is a waste. If your just tired of what you have then get something new, but unless you are buying something like the team track you are going to be buying the same bike you have over again. Why not drop the money on a cheap road bike, or a custom mess bag or something. If you just have money to burn I have many other suggestions of **** I want

Get the paint taken off your bike and get it clear coated if you like raw so much.

agreed. that's why i powdercoated my kilo. kilo's as good a frame as i need.

unless you're riding wheelies off stair sets, the clockwork can 'handle' urban riding.

just curious, what would you guys consider a step up from aforementioned frames, and what price range would that be?

or how bout older frames....dare i say it, common road bike-conversion esque frames....

basically anything in good condition that's a higher end bike for used, or anything that uses name brand tubing new. ("anything" is a very narrow meaning in this usage)

Moto track team 350
Alien ~350
soma rush 350-400
Surly steamroller 450

Those are all a step up in quality, tho for what you are doing you have a great frame already. I think the suggestion of getting the frame powdercoated is a great one.