Good point. Take the definition as broadly as you like. My guess is that if you recommend it, it will probably fit within my definition.

Anything by Trash Talk, Ceremony, Punch or Loma Prieta.

Thanks, ... will look into them.

I've seen Punch a couple times. They ruin me every time. Thats good stuff.

Ok, great. We'll meet by the playground at 3pm. Haha!

play nice kitten.

I love Punch and Loma Prieta!

Check out Congenital Death!

Me too. Those first 4 eps are intense.

http://www.statebicycle.com/v/vspfil...defeated-2.jpg

Thoughts?

Meh. Without getting into too much detail, someone who got fired from Leader last year now works for State. It's pretty obvious, huh?

You can buy a real 725 frame, Alpina fork and ZS-3 headset for around 40 bucks more.

do not like fork. or seat tube cutout that doesnt contour the actual wheel or seemingly allow for slammage.

Or the hideous "graphics".

Aww, come on guys.... It's "Undefeated"... it has to be good...

guess they had to change something, if it were all black it would just be a visp

but no do not like.

I'm late to the convo but Loma Prieta is ****ing great.

Proof, check out their most recent album I.V. Dem bass riffs.

Scrod,

I really dig that you sell products/brands that you use and truly stand behind. That being said, how good is Sugino, really? I've never ridden their gear, but have read a lot of mixed reviews.

Also, do your SRAM brake levers come in pairs? If so, damn good price.

The welds on that State frame are like the ones on the 721, not smooth like the 725.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=311621

These welds on the Contender scare me a bit. Not having anyone carry these locally, sucks.

Ever took a good look at one? The specs seem decent for the price.

yikes. looks like a intro welding class practice piece

What's wrong with Visp? My son rides one to uni and no-one's even tried to steal it.

Exactly

Oh my goodness. That looks like what happened when i tried to patch up an expansion chamber exhaust with a wire feed MIG. FYI that was the only welding i've ever done in my life.

Thought it looked familliar.

quick question about looking at stem and the degree for the stem. My leader 725 has a headtube angle of 74*. Would i look for whatever adds up closes to 90* if i want the stem to be parallel to the ground?

got my hands on a used set of 7710 cranks. i have heard of the problems with installation causing slip in the splined interface. well i guess i figured out how i got them at the price i did. is there a great safety risk of using them if there is slight play in the nds crank? any remedies?

I currently have a 10 degree Thomson (flipped upside down) on my 725 and it's pretty much parallel to the top tube.

I know you can remedy a slightly enlarged square taper interface with aluminum foil but I'm not sure how you'd go about it with splines.

is it safe enough to ride around on, then? until i find a new nds crank arm?

Probably wouldn't work.

That's what I'm thinking too.