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Old 12-15-12 | 08:36 PM
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Old 12-16-12 | 12:12 AM
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Ive currently got a state bicycle co complete bike but have been looking into a leader frame. would the state components fit on the Leader 725 frame? this may be a dumb question but i just want to make sure.
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Ive currently got a state bicycle co complete bike but have been looking into a leader frame. would the state components fit on the Leader 725 frame? this may be a dumb question but i just want to make sure.
You'll need a zero stack headset. Everything else can be swapped over without any trouble.
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Old 12-16-12 | 10:25 AM
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Dear Scrod,

I recently converted a '72 Bottecchia Professional to 650b fixed. It's a lot of fun, but the BB is just too low for comfort (255mm) and pedal strike at speed is just too unnerving for me. So, I'm going to buy or build a classic looking 700c wheelset. l like the idea of the polished TB14 and will probably go with 32/32 as the 28h version isn't readily available. I plan to buy from my LBS. So. . . . two questions:

Hubs: I was considering the Velo Orange fixed set, perhaps the Suzue Pro Max (wish they had cut outs in the flanges). . . . what else is out there that fits the bill?

Spokes: I typically build with Sapim Race spokes and brass nipples. Is there a compelling reason to go with a different spoke or is this build beefy enough that I the benefit of super skinny spokes isn't really worth the hassle (twisting of the spokes, etc)?

I could use the Paul hubs on the 650b set, but they're silver anodized (not polished) and it seems like a bit of shame to disassemble a perfectly good wheelset.

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Old 12-16-12 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd
two questions:

Hubs: I was considering the Velo Orange fixed set, perhaps the Suzue Pro Max (wish they had cut outs in the flanges). . . . what else is out there that fits the bill?

Spokes: I typically build with Sapim Race spokes and brass nipples. Is there a compelling reason to go with a different spoke or is this build beefy enough that I the benefit of super skinny spokes isn't really worth the hassle (twisting of the spokes, etc)?
Either the VO hubs or Suzue Pro Max are a great choice. I can't really think of anything else with sealed bearings that have a "classic" look (and won't cost a **** ton of money).

I'm not really sure what you're asking regarding spokes. Butted spokes have a lot of benefits besides being able to twist them. Twisted spokes are lame.
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Old 12-16-12 | 04:31 PM
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Thanks, Scrod. I'm asking if this is a build where I'll feel the advantages of Sapim Lasers versus Sapim Race taking into account the cost difference and difficulty in keeping the thinner spoke from twisting while tensioning.
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Old 12-16-12 | 04:58 PM
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I believe he's referring to wind-up.
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Old 12-16-12 | 06:24 PM
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How much difference in the diameter of a wheel is there between a fat 650b and a narrow 700c? Isn't the whole thing behind a 650b conversion that it's really not that different at all?
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Old 12-16-12 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by striknein
I believe he's referring to wind-up.
Right.

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How much difference in the diameter of a wheel is there between a fat 650b and a narrow 700c? Isn't the whole thing behind a 650b conversion that it's really not that different at all?
Right, that's the idea. The diameter of a 650bx38 and 700x23 are just about the same, I believe.

I measured the BB center to the ground and got the following measurements.

650b x 42mm: 255mm
700c x 27mm (actually 29mm): 265mm

I would be using 700c x 32mm tires so it would be a little more than 10mm higher.

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Old 12-17-12 | 12:30 PM
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How often do you take apart/regrease your bikes? From when I first started riding up until now I do it every two months. Now I feel that's too frequent and i'm lazy.

I commute by bike about 2-3 times a week if that matters.
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Old 12-17-12 | 12:37 PM
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How often do you take apart/regrease your bikes? From when I first started riding up until now I do it every two months. Now I feel that's too frequent and i'm lazy.

I commute by bike about 2-3 times a week if that matters.
I don't service anything on my bikes according to a schedule, just when I feel things need attention (which isn't very often).

Taking your bike apart to regrease stuff every two months is ridiculously excessive.
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Old 12-18-12 | 07:13 AM
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Old 12-18-12 | 08:05 AM
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I do hope the Colonel has some clips and straps to go on those rat trap pedals.
I do, but it'll get SPD when I get it lined out. I just put the track pedals with half clips on there because they were handy.
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Old 12-19-12 | 02:59 AM
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Hey Scrod, so I finally decided to go with the Big Block but not really digging the new lavender colour. Do you have any pictures of the "Solid Gold"? Tried google and found nadda. Or is the picture on the All City site it? > that one wanna go more subtle
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Old 12-19-12 | 07:15 AM
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Old 12-20-12 | 07:52 PM
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How do you prevent spokes from twisting?
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Old 12-20-12 | 07:56 PM
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Prepping them before building helps. Our spoke supplier makes their own spoke prep that looks like red jello (but smells much worse) that practically eliminates wind up even at high tension. RG may start selling it if we can get them to make us a decent size batch.
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Old 12-20-12 | 07:59 PM
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I used motor oil like the roger musson book said to do, but theyre still twisting. Is prepping them the only way to not twist them?
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I use oil too, Sapim spokes and brass nipples. I haven't had a problem with wind up yet, but I haven't built a wheel with a spoke thinner than the Sapim Race. I gather you would put a tape "flag" on the spoke and use a plier to hold keep it from winding up.
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Old 12-20-12 | 08:14 PM
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Old 12-21-12 | 04:55 PM
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I used motor oil like the roger musson book said to do, but theyre still twisting. Is prepping them the only way to not twist them?
Your spokes really shouldn't be winding up enough for it to be any problem that tension relieving a few times during the build (as shown in the video I posted a couple of pages back) can't solve.

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Old 12-21-12 | 08:19 PM
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i use linseed oil on the spoke threads and a lube like bio-lube or tri-flow on the nipple seats....
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Old 12-21-12 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla
Your spokes really shouldn't be winding up enough for it to be any problem that tension relieving a few times during the build (as shown in the video I posted a couple of pages back) can't solve.

That tension relieving method is wild It's worth doing just for the pleasure of beating your new wheels around
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What is better; Promax, Dura-Ace, Miche, or Paul hubs?
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Old 12-22-12 | 12:30 AM
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would i be able to fit 32 pasela TG's under the standard road version of the cambria fenders or would i need to get the touring ones?
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