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#6426
Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2012
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From: In a van down by the river
Bikes: Bridgestone
thx bro ima ask them
#6427
Newbie
Joined: Oct 2012
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Ive currently got a state bicycle co complete bike but have been looking into a leader frame. would the state components fit on the Leader 725 frame? this may be a dumb question but i just want to make sure.
#6428
Thread Starter
Your cog is slipping.



Joined: May 2009
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From: Beverly MA
Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle
#6429
Dear Scrod,
I recently converted a '72 Bottecchia Professional to 650b fixed. It's a lot of fun, but the BB is just too low for comfort (255mm) and pedal strike at speed is just too unnerving for me. So, I'm going to buy or build a classic looking 700c wheelset. l like the idea of the polished TB14 and will probably go with 32/32 as the 28h version isn't readily available. I plan to buy from my LBS. So. . . . two questions:
Hubs: I was considering the Velo Orange fixed set, perhaps the Suzue Pro Max (wish they had cut outs in the flanges). . . . what else is out there that fits the bill?
Spokes: I typically build with Sapim Race spokes and brass nipples. Is there a compelling reason to go with a different spoke or is this build beefy enough that I the benefit of super skinny spokes isn't really worth the hassle (twisting of the spokes, etc)?
I could use the Paul hubs on the 650b set, but they're silver anodized (not polished) and it seems like a bit of shame to disassemble a perfectly good wheelset.
I recently converted a '72 Bottecchia Professional to 650b fixed. It's a lot of fun, but the BB is just too low for comfort (255mm) and pedal strike at speed is just too unnerving for me. So, I'm going to buy or build a classic looking 700c wheelset. l like the idea of the polished TB14 and will probably go with 32/32 as the 28h version isn't readily available. I plan to buy from my LBS. So. . . . two questions:
Hubs: I was considering the Velo Orange fixed set, perhaps the Suzue Pro Max (wish they had cut outs in the flanges). . . . what else is out there that fits the bill?
Spokes: I typically build with Sapim Race spokes and brass nipples. Is there a compelling reason to go with a different spoke or is this build beefy enough that I the benefit of super skinny spokes isn't really worth the hassle (twisting of the spokes, etc)?
I could use the Paul hubs on the 650b set, but they're silver anodized (not polished) and it seems like a bit of shame to disassemble a perfectly good wheelset.
#6430
Thread Starter
Your cog is slipping.



Joined: May 2009
Posts: 26,053
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From: Beverly MA
Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle
two questions:
Hubs: I was considering the Velo Orange fixed set, perhaps the Suzue Pro Max (wish they had cut outs in the flanges). . . . what else is out there that fits the bill?
Spokes: I typically build with Sapim Race spokes and brass nipples. Is there a compelling reason to go with a different spoke or is this build beefy enough that I the benefit of super skinny spokes isn't really worth the hassle (twisting of the spokes, etc)?
Hubs: I was considering the Velo Orange fixed set, perhaps the Suzue Pro Max (wish they had cut outs in the flanges). . . . what else is out there that fits the bill?
Spokes: I typically build with Sapim Race spokes and brass nipples. Is there a compelling reason to go with a different spoke or is this build beefy enough that I the benefit of super skinny spokes isn't really worth the hassle (twisting of the spokes, etc)?
I'm not really sure what you're asking regarding spokes. Butted spokes have a lot of benefits besides being able to twist them. Twisted spokes are lame.
#6431
Thanks, Scrod. I'm asking if this is a build where I'll feel the advantages of Sapim Lasers versus Sapim Race taking into account the cost difference and difficulty in keeping the thinner spoke from twisting while tensioning.
#6432
Goes to 11.

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,548
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From: Wichita, KS, USA
Bikes: 2015 Soma Double Cross
I believe he's referring to wind-up.
#6433
How much difference in the diameter of a wheel is there between a fat 650b and a narrow 700c? Isn't the whole thing behind a 650b conversion that it's really not that different at all?
#6434
Right.
Right, that's the idea. The diameter of a 650bx38 and 700x23 are just about the same, I believe.
I measured the BB center to the ground and got the following measurements.
650b x 42mm: 255mm
700c x 27mm (actually 29mm): 265mm
I would be using 700c x 32mm tires so it would be a little more than 10mm higher.
I measured the BB center to the ground and got the following measurements.
650b x 42mm: 255mm
700c x 27mm (actually 29mm): 265mm
I would be using 700c x 32mm tires so it would be a little more than 10mm higher.
Last edited by ColonelJLloyd; 12-16-12 at 08:39 PM.
#6435
How often do you take apart/regrease your bikes? From when I first started riding up until now I do it every two months. Now I feel that's too frequent and i'm lazy.
I commute by bike about 2-3 times a week if that matters.
I commute by bike about 2-3 times a week if that matters.
#6436
Thread Starter
Your cog is slipping.



Joined: May 2009
Posts: 26,053
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From: Beverly MA
Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle
Taking your bike apart to regrease stuff every two months is ridiculously excessive.
#6437
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Joined: Aug 2005
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From: Rocket City, No'ala
Bikes: 2014 Trek Domane 5.2, 1985 Pinarello Treviso, 1990 Gardin Shred, 2006 Bianchi San Jose
I do hope the Colonel has some clips and straps to go on those rat trap pedals.
#6439
Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 48
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From: Vancouver, BC
Bikes: Cannondale Supersix 2012, All-City Big Block 2013
Hey Scrod, so I finally decided to go with the Big Block but not really digging the new lavender colour. Do you have any pictures of the "Solid Gold"? Tried google and found nadda. Or is the picture on the All City site it? > that one
wanna go more subtle
#6440
Thread Starter
Your cog is slipping.



Joined: May 2009
Posts: 26,053
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From: Beverly MA
Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle
It's a little less yellow than it look on the AC site. The metallic flake is nice.
#6441
:)
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 3,420
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From: San Jose, CA
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD12, Specialized Rockhopper, Norco Fluid FS1
How do you prevent spokes from twisting?
#6442
Thread Starter
Your cog is slipping.



Joined: May 2009
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From: Beverly MA
Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle
Prepping them before building helps. Our spoke supplier makes their own spoke prep that looks like red jello (but smells much worse) that practically eliminates wind up even at high tension. RG may start selling it if we can get them to make us a decent size batch.
#6443
:)
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: San Jose, CA
Bikes: Cannondale CAAD12, Specialized Rockhopper, Norco Fluid FS1
I used motor oil like the roger musson book said to do, but theyre still twisting. Is prepping them the only way to not twist them?
#6444
I use oil too, Sapim spokes and brass nipples. I haven't had a problem with wind up yet, but I haven't built a wheel with a spoke thinner than the Sapim Race. I gather you would put a tape "flag" on the spoke and use a plier to hold keep it from winding up.
#6446
Thread Starter
Your cog is slipping.



Joined: May 2009
Posts: 26,053
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From: Beverly MA
Bikes: EAI Bareknuckle
Your spokes really shouldn't be winding up enough for it to be any problem that tension relieving a few times during the build (as shown in the video I posted a couple of pages back) can't solve.
Last edited by Scrodzilla; 12-21-12 at 04:59 PM.
#6447
i use linseed oil on the spoke threads and a lube like bio-lube or tri-flow on the nipple seats....
#6448
Grumpy Old Bugga
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Adelaide, AUSTRALIA
Bikes: Hillbrick, Malvern Star Oppy S2, Europa (R.I.P.)
That tension relieving method is wild
#6449
Banned.
Joined: Oct 2012
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What is better; Promax, Dura-Ace, Miche, or Paul hubs?
#6450
would i be able to fit 32 pasela TG's under the standard road version of the cambria fenders or would i need to get the touring ones?




