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lightweight track hubs?

Old 12-09-11, 10:30 AM
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lightweight track hubs?

So while searching for a lightweight rear hub, I come across this listing on ebay.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/Novatec-Rear...ht_1786wt_1037

listed weight = 200g rear 110g front "without bolts"

the site doesn't list a model number for hubs, but does that seem balpark for the hubs?

I'm thinking these hubs, iro cold fusion rims, and sapim laser spokes ought to leave me around 1600g for the weight at under $200. not bad eh?

any lighter hubs on the market at the same price point?

might even go with a road front hub @66g!



https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-UltraLig...ht_2840wt_1037
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Old 12-09-11, 10:33 AM
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Those numbers seem way off. Unless the bolts weigh 90ish grams a set...

Scrod's site (https://www.retro-gression.com/produc...atec-build-kit) puts those hubs at 204g/front, 282g/rear.
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You can order direct from here. https://www.bdopcycling.com/Index.asp

The ultralight hubs will be part of my CX race wheels for next season.
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Novatec's web site puts the front at 186g and the rear at 262g.
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ahhhh, thanks guys.

figured the weight was too good to be true. with the rotaz front hub I should still be able to get 'em under 1600. maybe even go with a lower spoke count on the front
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Good luck buying from IRO.
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Originally Posted by EpicSchwinn View Post
Good luck buying from IRO.
I guess, I'm out of the loop.

what's up with IRO?
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https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...g-at-IRO-Cycle
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For the record - the weight listed on the RG site is including axle nuts and based upon weighing the hubs myself.

And yeah - ordering anything from IRO most likely won't happen.

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Originally Posted by theblackbullet View Post
ahhhh, thanks guys.

figured the weight was too good to be true. with the rotaz front hub I should still be able to get 'em under 1600. maybe even go with a lower spoke count on the front
higher spoke count with lighter spokes and lighter rim makes for a lighter wheel.
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Originally Posted by Cynikal View Post
Novatec's web site puts the front at 186g and the rear at 262g.
In fact even that seems optimistic, because I have wheels with Novatec small flange hubs (32 h) and their weight was 194 g front and 243 g rear with track nuts.

But if you are looking for really lightweight track hubs (and do not mind waiting a few months), check https://www.mackhubs.com/

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Originally Posted by kyttyra View Post
But if you are looking for really lightweight track hubs (and do not mind waiting a few months and paying nearly $400), check https://www.mackhubs.com/
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Yikes, lets hope they sell a few so they can afford to finish off their website.
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Old 12-09-11, 06:48 PM
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lite hub

https://www.novatec.com.tw/novatec/en....php?c1=2&c2=7


Am Classic:

https://www.amclassic.com/en/products/hubs/trackrear.php
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Originally Posted by Scrodzilla View Post
fixed.
Hm, LF hubs w/single fixed rear hub with shipping to U.S. would be 218 € --> roughly $ 292. Do you have to pay custom fees when ordering from Europe?

About their website...couple of years ago there was, like, some pictures and an email address for enquiring the prices and ordering, so there has been at least some progress

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Old 12-10-11, 08:35 AM
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damn. thanks for the heads up. that's a recent thread too, I should have seen it. lol


Originally Posted by AEO View Post
higher spoke count with lighter spokes and lighter rim makes for a lighter wheel.
but that's when cost starts going up quick. I'm not spending $3 a spoke for 64 spokes!
Kinlin xr200's have definitely crossed my mind, but I am afraid to run them at 245lbs. I'll be running 32 spokes in the rear, but I've been thinking I might try 28 or 24 in the front.

might go with xr300s...

Originally Posted by kyttyra View Post
In fact even that seems optimistic, because I have wheels with Novatec small flange hubs (32 h) and their weight was 194 g front and 243 g rear with track nuts.

But if you are looking for really lightweight track hubs (and do not mind waiting a few months), check https://www.mackhubs.com/
where can you find the low flange novatecs?'

and the macks look nice but I'm budgeting myself at $300 for the entire wheelset

which novatecs are you referring to?

and the am classics are nice, but would put me over budget
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Originally Posted by theblackbullet View Post
d
where can you find the low flange novatecs?
I bought mine from eBay, but it seems that there are none for sale atm.
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which novatecs are you referring to?

and the am classics are nice, but would put me over budget
page 2 low flange.

Bdop might be able to order you some.

https://bdopcycling.com/Hubs-FGSS.asp

get the rear hub(Am Classic)and a road front hub.
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2x Kinlin xr200 770g
64x Sapim laser spokes 279g
64x Sapim brass nipples 20g???
1x Rotaz front hub 66g
1x American Classic rear hub 180g

Total weight: 1316g (w/o front skewer or cog and lockring)
Cost: $386

Total weight with Novatec rear hub: 1418g
Cost: $286

hmmmmm...
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I've heard of people having some trouble with american classic hubs. Not those in particular, but i'd check out some reveiws/talk to some people before lacing them up.

+2 cents. lace it up with some decent sturdy spoke nipples, especially if you ride hard/in inclimate weather. I've went to true wheels before and just had the nipples turn to dust. The weight you'd save just isnt worth it I don't think. Most people tend to bypass nipples and spokes as sort of just there, when merely having an experienced wheel builder lace a wheel up with some quality spokes can drastically change the way a wheel perfrorms. Also if you are inexperienced with wheel building, it is pretty difficult to do very well and having a "professional" do it may be well worth it. Id poke around and see if there are any shops that do any low key celeb bikes or if there are any mechanics around that do wheel builds for higher profile riders, that would be your go to man, as they would know more about certain products and how they perform under tougher riding, as well as how they hold up in the long run. A good mechanic that you trust is well worth paying him for his service I think, and once you develop a relationship most mechanics will help you out as much as they can.

good luck with everything!
hope this post helps in some way.
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Originally Posted by theblackbullet View Post
2x Kinlin xr200 770g
64x Sapim laser spokes 279g
64x Sapim brass nipples 20g???
1x Rotaz front hub 66g
1x American Classic rear hub 180g

Total weight: 1316g (w/o front skewer or cog and lockring)
Cost: $386

Total weight with Novatec rear hub: 1418g
Cost: $286

hmmmmm...
100$ for 100g is fine if youre a super weight weenie. regular rider, take the novatecs. besides, amclassic is singlesided fixed only, not flipflop.
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Originally Posted by zx108 View Post
I've heard of people having some trouble with american classic hubs. Not those in particular, but i'd check out some reveiws/talk to some people before lacing them up.

+2 cents. lace it up with some decent sturdy spoke nipples, especially if you ride hard/in inclimate weather. I've went to true wheels before and just had the nipples turn to dust. The weight you'd save just isnt worth it I don't think. Most people tend to bypass nipples and spokes as sort of just there, when merely having an experienced wheel builder lace a wheel up with some quality spokes can drastically change the way a wheel perfrorms. Also if you are inexperienced with wheel building, it is pretty difficult to do very well and having a "professional" do it may be well worth it. Id poke around and see if there are any shops that do any low key celeb bikes or if there are any mechanics around that do wheel builds for higher profile riders, that would be your go to man, as they would know more about certain products and how they perform under tougher riding, as well as how they hold up in the long run. A good mechanic that you trust is well worth paying him for his service I think, and once you develop a relationship most mechanics will help you out as much as they can.

good luck with everything!
hope this post helps in some way.
I'll look deeper into the hubs

and as far as building wheels goes, I have built a couple sets for myself this year, and both have been great for me. I couldn't imagine paying someone else to do it for me. I enjoy it too much! lol Main purpose for these wheels will be at the track. I have some weinmanns/formula for any street riding

Originally Posted by xkillemallx16 View Post
100$ for 100g is fine if youre a super weight weenie. regular rider, take the novatecs. besides, amclassic is singlesided fixed only, not flipflop.
ahhh yes. I figure the difference between the novatecs and am classics will be negligible, but I also don't want the urge to upgrade.
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