I tour on a setup weighing ~28lbs (Bike, bags and gear!)
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I like your video. Nice work! Looks like you enjoyed a great adventure.
Personal Comment: Your experience should be a cautionary-tale for those who want to believe that ultralight rigs are a direct replacement for more robust riggings, as espoused by myself and others
Personal Comment: Your experience should be a cautionary-tale for those who want to believe that ultralight rigs are a direct replacement for more robust riggings, as espoused by myself and others
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Alright! I apologize its so long...I don't think I'm very good at making touring videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXRR7Rb-35k
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If you mean the puncture I think that would be easily fixed by going to a CF bike with larger tire clearances. Coming across the US I had 2 punctures on my 25mm Gatorskins, but I think I'll be going from the Cervelo RS to something with disc brakes and at least 32 mm tire clearances in future.
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If you mean the puncture I think that would be easily fixed by going to a CF bike with larger tire clearances. Coming across the US I had 2 punctures on my 25mm Gatorskins, but I think I'll be going from the Cervelo RS to something with disc brakes and at least 32 mm tire clearances in future.
As I've posted many times: I'm all for a carbon-touring-bike, but I haven't seen anything that hits the nail on the head. Repurposing racing-bikes for touring doesn't cut it as it once did. To replace the steel-touring-bike we're gonna need a purpose-built carbon-touring-bike, IMO.
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@nun, If I only had two punctures in that many miles, I'd consider myself lucky. There is something to be said about the larger tire being more appropriate, IMHO. Certainly more comfortable on rough patches of road. Are you considering a CX bike?
@BigAura, With 20 lb., or less, my distance roadie was, and still could be as robust as needed. I think this is true for most, if not all roadies. If I didn't already have a touring bike I'd be pretty content with the roadie, I do believe.
I decided to use my touring bike simply because it's more suited to straight line mileage with it's slacker head tube angle and longer wheel base. It's also only 6.5 lb. heavier than the roadie.
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@BigAura, With 20 lb., or less, my distance roadie was, and still could be as robust as needed. I think this is true for most, if not all roadies. If I didn't already have a touring bike I'd be pretty content with the roadie, I do believe.
I decided to use my touring bike simply because it's more suited to straight line mileage with it's slacker head tube angle and longer wheel base. It's also only 6.5 lb. heavier than the roadie.
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So...something more robust?
As I've posted many times: I'm all for a carbon-touring-bike, but I haven't seen anything that hits the nail on the head. Repurposing racing-bikes for touring doesn't cut it as it once did. To replace the steel-touring-bike we're gonna need a purpose-built carbon-touring-bike, IMO.
As I've posted many times: I'm all for a carbon-touring-bike, but I haven't seen anything that hits the nail on the head. Repurposing racing-bikes for touring doesn't cut it as it once did. To replace the steel-touring-bike we're gonna need a purpose-built carbon-touring-bike, IMO.
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@nun, If I only had two punctures in that many miles, I'd consider myself lucky. There is something to be said about the larger tire being more appropriate, IMHO. Certainly more comfortable on rough patches of road. Are you considering a CX bike?
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There are certainly other ways to build a more robust bicycle rather than simply throwing thicker steel at it. And in the process you get a bicycle that climbs, handles, brakes better. All in all a more comfortable ride.
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So...something more robust?
As I've posted many times: I'm all for a carbon-touring-bike, but I haven't seen anything that hits the nail on the head. Repurposing racing-bikes for touring doesn't cut it as it once did. To replace the steel-touring-bike we're gonna need a purpose-built carbon-touring-bike, IMO.
As I've posted many times: I'm all for a carbon-touring-bike, but I haven't seen anything that hits the nail on the head. Repurposing racing-bikes for touring doesn't cut it as it once did. To replace the steel-touring-bike we're gonna need a purpose-built carbon-touring-bike, IMO.
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@nun, When I switched out the 23 mm tires for 28 mm tires on my daughter's Volpe, she was happier with the increased comfort. 32 mm tires would be even better, but she's using a narrow roadie wheel set and I was conservative.
With all of the new products aimed at back packers and bike packers, a lighter duty touring bike certainly makes sense. With what I've learned in a few short years (packing too much to too little to somewhere in between) I could easily make do without an expedition level touring bike.
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With all of the new products aimed at back packers and bike packers, a lighter duty touring bike certainly makes sense. With what I've learned in a few short years (packing too much to too little to somewhere in between) I could easily make do without an expedition level touring bike.
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What I appreciate most with bikepacking is the aero aspect of it. It makes a significant difference to be relieved from those "sails" (panniers) hanging down the sides of the bike. Go faster - go further!
I tried one of those proper bikepacking saddle bags last fall but I didn't like it. Now it's for sale. Too much swaying for my taste, so I went back to using a rear rack with a 22L roll-top dry bag (Ortlieb PD350) strapped to it. Despite being a little bit harder to pack and unpack, it works better in my opinion, is much cheaper, and I can also stuff more "s#|t" into it.
I tried one of those proper bikepacking saddle bags last fall but I didn't like it. Now it's for sale. Too much swaying for my taste, so I went back to using a rear rack with a 22L roll-top dry bag (Ortlieb PD350) strapped to it. Despite being a little bit harder to pack and unpack, it works better in my opinion, is much cheaper, and I can also stuff more "s#|t" into it.
I already have the rack and panniers and old habits are hard to break.
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Actually it looks good. I've done a couple of tours (including this past summer on a single-braked fixed-gear) on 32mm tires and they are sufficient, IMO, for light packed touring.
bike, bags & gear = ~42lbs
BUT AGAIN I would not consider it as a substitute for a real--touring-bike.
My criteria: A truly expedition-robust bike able to negotiate any road or off-road, carry a self-supported solo rider on a months long tour including days without resupply.
bike, bags & gear = ~65lbs
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If you mean the puncture I think that would be easily fixed by going to a CF bike with larger tire clearances. Coming across the US I had 2 punctures on my 25mm Gatorskins, but I think I'll be going from the Cervelo RS to something with disc brakes and at least 32 mm tire clearances in future.
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Interesting. I'm debating panniers vs. bikepacking bags right now. My main tour in 2017 will be credit card style, so I won't be camping and can go very light. My only issue is there are some days where there's a long distance between water spots, so I'll be carrying a heavy load of water.
I already have the rack and panniers and old habits are hard to break.
I already have the rack and panniers and old habits are hard to break.
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Great stuff guys...
I have a CX bike that I'm looking to rig bike-packing style for longer rides and unpaved rail-trail touring that will probably take me into @nun 's ~37 lbs / 30 liter range. I too am opting for a tent (double-wall), some cooking gear, and a change of clothing or two - can't seem to get much below 15 lbs on the gear and bags half.
At the moment, I'm currently short-touring with ~43 lbs / 30Ls, and while it's neither particular lightweight nor fast, I have a feeling it might be the most "compact" rig here - clicky .
I have a CX bike that I'm looking to rig bike-packing style for longer rides and unpaved rail-trail touring that will probably take me into @nun 's ~37 lbs / 30 liter range. I too am opting for a tent (double-wall), some cooking gear, and a change of clothing or two - can't seem to get much below 15 lbs on the gear and bags half.
At the moment, I'm currently short-touring with ~43 lbs / 30Ls, and while it's neither particular lightweight nor fast, I have a feeling it might be the most "compact" rig here - clicky .
Also your folding bike setup is awesome! That looks perfect for people that enjoy visiting various attractions like your photo shows. I can definitely see the appeal of that!
I bought the Tangle frame bag so I could spread the weight out more and utilize that wasted space in my frame to avoid this issue.
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At some point you get light enough and it's not fun or worthwhile getting lighter.
Interesting. I'm debating panniers vs. bikepacking bags right now. My main tour in 2017 will be credit card style, so I won't be camping and can go very light. My only issue is there are some days where there's a long distance between water spots, so I'll be carrying a heavy load of water.
I already have the rack and panniers and old habits are hard to break.
I already have the rack and panniers and old habits are hard to break.
Of course an argument can be made to use panniers, since you already own them
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Thanks! I'm not sure what you mean about robustness though? I had the same number of flats on my last trip as I did on my first with that wide tired MTB. Same number as my first road bike tour where I ran gatorskins. I've had two racing bike tours with no flats (1400 miles on 25mm gatorskins & 800 miles on specialized roubaix pro 23/25mm). Those 24 spoke wheels supported around 230lbs without issue as well.
Went slower than I had hoped...New River Trail wasn't as smooth as anticipated and I had a few minor set backs
What needs of yours do they not that the steel framed touring built ones do? Maybe you do more off-roading than I do, or ride in snowy weather? I'd use a CX bike with much wider tires if In conditions like that, but for road touring my Emonda meets my needs. Of course everyone wants something different from a tour, which is why I ask
My main point reiterated: Modern racing bikes (CX included) are not direct replacements for modern touring bikes. It's not their material-composition that's at fault, it's their design. But yes...I'm ready for a purpose built carbon-tourer
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Outdoor Tech Buckshot 1
They have a pro version with extra features like a flashlight and the ability to charge your phone with it, and a version 2 of the regular model that adds a pocket clip, louder volume and a few other features.
I prefer the button layout and audio cues from the 1. They're on the bottom and easy to use without taking my eyes off the road. The 2 has them on the side and while they look bigger and easier to press, I find it less intuitive to switch tracks while riding.
Battery life on both models is around 20 hours, very good in that respect. They also function in a downpour being left completely exposed to the elements.
They have a pro version with extra features like a flashlight and the ability to charge your phone with it, and a version 2 of the regular model that adds a pocket clip, louder volume and a few other features.
I prefer the button layout and audio cues from the 1. They're on the bottom and easy to use without taking my eyes off the road. The 2 has them on the side and while they look bigger and easier to press, I find it less intuitive to switch tracks while riding.
Battery life on both models is around 20 hours, very good in that respect. They also function in a downpour being left completely exposed to the elements.
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It's not the number of flats I'm talking about. It's the circumstance of those flats. You flatted when on rough off-road. More robust for what you were doing would be a CX and 32mm tires. My point again was that your racing bike was not up to task at hand, by your own admission
See my post-30 (first section) where I did light-off-road this past summer on 32mm tires. Two weeks no flats. Could I have done my tour on a carbon CX & the same tires...sure.
Modern racing bikes (CX included) are not direct replacements for modern touring bikes.
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Agree, but I can't forget fenders. Some road bikes won't accept them. I often curse them, but they've kept me in a good place on many miserable days. Room for fenders is one of my hard criteria for touring (and commuting), actually more important to me than a triple crank.
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By adding a drybag to the front, you can greatly increase capacity. A couple changes of clothes, a 2-person tent and cooking gear transforms the bike into a full touring rig.
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Agree, but I can't forget fenders. Some road bikes won't accept them. I often curse them, but they've kept me in a good place on many miserable days. Room for fenders is one of my hard criteria for touring (and commuting), actually more important to me than a triple crank.
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I look at some of these rigs and wonder if some people are kinda going to extremes to avoid a rack and panniers. I don't quite understand the aversion or why one would want to get one's center of gravity as high as possible short of mounting one's gear on one's helmet.