if ever i get the money to buy this new frame i will no doubt need a new set of touring wheels ,i was looking at Phil wood hubs they look great but i'm afraid out of my league .
so what other hubs are out there besides shimano .campag.looking of course for something good maintenance free super smooth and doesn't cost a fortune .
so folks build me a great set of touring wheel's rim's/hub's spokes36 700cc

thanks.

I know you said no Shimano, but you can't go wrong with Mavic A719 rims mated to XT hubs with DT Alpine spokes. The resulting wheels will be extremely durable and not terribly expensive. But not maintenance-free, however; I'm not sure there is such a thing as maintenance-free. You would still need to re-pack the bearings occasionally.

thanks for that yeah i know your choice is good i have always used shimano but this time round i kinda want to go for a custom wheel build my new frame will be custom made just want something different ,if you know what i mean.

Have you checked out White Industries hubs? I'd still go the A719/DT Alpine route though.

Shimano is the fallback position, as far as I know. There is a case that while they are kinda cheap, they are very strong due to high quality big company features like cold forging (are they still?) vs. billet hubs, and they have loose bearings. No dedicated touring versions

If it was me, I would get a set of Phil Freewheel hubs, save 250, and the look is a lot more classic, and the weight is a lot better, about 4 ounces less. If you like there are the Riv version of Phils with a high flange, one spoke length front and back like the Phil Touring.

I have two sets of the white hubs, and they are really pretty, but they don't seem as well thought out as the Phils. Phil makes touring specific hubs. The Whites are lighter in Cassette form, they have a Ti shell which seems like a good idea.

Velo Orange has a new set of hubs coming out soon. They are freewheel design, sealed bearings, max rear end is 130. Interesting feature is slotted spoke holes on the freewheel side for in the field replacement. Be a long time until we know if they are durable as premium hubs.

Last time I looked for DT hubs they were really expensive, but on occasion I have found good deals on them. They are arguably the best touring hub, due to superb quality and loose bearing. They have a ton of models that often leads to their being overstocked.

Running Chris King hubs, 36H Velocity Deep V rims, DT double butted spokes on our tandem, built them myself. Great setup, very strong, maintenance free, never out of true yet, but only a couple thousand miles on them. Still, tandem service is harder than a loaded single, and loaded tandem harder yet. Build them yourself and put the build money into the hubs. You'll get a better wheel.

so how much would a set of Phil woods touring cost me.i suppose i would be looking at 9 speed cassette.mavic 719 rims/dt or alpine spokes which ever is best oh the wheels would have to be shipped to Ireland and who will build them for me .
thanks.

sounds like a brilliant set of wheels where did you source all that gear local bike shop or internet need to know how much money it will cost.thanks.

I just purchased a set of White Industries hubs for $255 for the rear and $100 for the front. Phil front hubs are roughly the same price but the rears are about $100 more. The White Ind. hubs are very light but the Phils are easier to work on. A set of Phil Wood front and rear, Alpine spokes and 719 rims runs around $560 for parts. sells the Alpines in bundles of 6 spokes so that you don't have to buy a whole box of Alpine spokes.

If I were building again, I'd consider Velocity Synergy OC rims for the rear. The off-center drilling reduces dish significantly.

love to go with the phil woods build Stuart but it's way out of my price.are those velocity really that good.

I had Velocity Synergy OC wheels last year. Hairline cracks formed around the spoke holes after only 1000 miles. Might have been because of the build, but caveat emptor.

Try Lickton's in Chicago. https://www.lickbike.com/productpage....=%271916-20%27

They can get Touring Front hubs too.

I'll also say that the Synergy/Synergy OC wheelset that I had last year was slightly off-size. My Panaracer T-Serv 700x32 tires worked (barely) but were a bit large for the wheels. The tires fit perfectly on my Mavic A719 wheels.

Cracks around spoke holes is almost certainly due to build.

The Phil Freewheel hubs are what Ive toured on for years,
I'll agree the cassette hubs are way up there in price.

Phil had the adaptation of a higher left flange than the right, so the same spoke length works for both sides ..

I built a 48 spoke rear, so when 1 spoke gave out, the 47 remaining worked fine.. a trifle of re truing and I was on the road again..
borrowed a big spanner later pulled off the freewheel, and replaced the 1 broken spoke ..

Don't know of the bike shops in Belfast or Dublin, these guys https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/default.asp
are here : 91-93 St Johns st Bridgewater, Somerset, TA6 5HX

How bout dump the whole derailleur thing and Get a Rohloff hub & simplify to one chainring ..

I haven't used them much before. I just built a wheelset with Velocity Aeroheats but I can't say too much about longevity yet. Other people seem to like them.

If you want a very good hub for a reasonable price...it's Shimano but...look for old XTR nondisc hubs. Often you can find them for very reasonable prices. The rears have titanium free hub bodies to save a little weight. Here's a cheap front and I've found rear ones for as little as $70.

, Might be able to auction off that Ti freehub body and pay for the hub and a more practical steel cassette driver

Avoid anything but a steel axle , too, No aluminum ,its a race MTB app, and you are going to haul a load, so It's folly.

cycco,

What is the sum of having an offset rim and the phil touring hub with the equal spokes in the back, will you end up with better angles but different spoke lengths?

I don't disagree. Let's just say that the cracks and the weird size issue prompted me to go for a different rim for the next build, and I'm happy with the Mavic A719.

cyccommute if i were to go with say velocity synergy oc rims front and rear how wide could i go max with tires.
how much would that build cost me in the states
velocty synergy oc rims 36 hole
white industries hubs
alpine spokes.
and lastly how good will these wheels be thanks.
ps how about a builder that will ship to Ireland..

Ask here, I expect Peter will ship anywhere .. https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/
Importing and wheelbuilding is what he does..
prices in dollars, minus shipping is listed.

You're too late for tapping into his horde of NOS XTR M900 hubs ..

He has the M910 rears in a polished finish, at present..

FWIW, No Velocity synergy oc rims 36 hole made, 32 only in that particular part.