willawingwong

Hey guys,

I'm debating on getting a pump peg welded on my bike for a frame pump beneath the top tube. I kind of like the cleaner look of the frame pump.

My other thought was getting a Topeak Road Morph pump and mounting it on the underside of the downtube. I like the the road morph since it can be used like the floor pump and has a hose. Although it is not as aesthetically pleasing as the frame pump. Though I think it looks nicer than the Lezyne Micro Floor drive as it has a more streamlined look.

Has anyone ever used both? I've never used a frame pump before and don't know if it is more or less effort than the Road Morph would be. I've read that the Zefal HPX or the Topeak Master Blaster are good frame pumps. Do any of these have a frame pump peg indent? Which ones do?

Thanks!

Mike.Ayling

Zefal HPX definitely has a frame pump peg indent but unfortunately Zefal no longer makes these pumps although there are still a few around.
The good news however is that they seem to last forever so if you can find one grab it.

Mike
Long time Zefal HPX user.

willawingwong

How can I tell if the Zefal HPX is the version with the peg indent? I see Zefal still sells one called the HPX. I'm assuming its a frame fit version with no indent. https://www.zefal.com/en/traditional-pumps/109-hpx-classic.html

brooklyn_bike

i've used all three: topeak morph, various frame pumps and lezyne micro floor drive. when you go on group rides and tours you see just about every inflation device.

lezyne micro floor drive is the best i've seen / used so far.

mm718

As someone who cares about aesthetics I would say drop those concerns and get the road morph (or lezyne). You will very much appreciate that foot peg and hose. It makes a huge difference.

Tandem Tom

Not really related to the OP but have a question. I have a Road Morph and a Mountain Morph. Does anyone know if the hoses are interchangeable? The Mountain Morph does not have the gauge.
Thanks!

robert schlatte

I am having the same debate re: frame pump vs road morph. I have a Topeak master blaster but unfortunately it is the wrong size for my new bike. I too like the aesthetics of the frame pump under the top tube but I agree that the road morph would be handier to use. I will probably go with morph for the reasons of mm718.

cyccommute 

The HPX has a hole in the end of the pump handle that will fit in a pump peg on a frame. Zefal is definitely still making the HPX.

If you want a frame fit pump, the HPX is the one to get. It was a very good pump of its day, but its day has passed. The HPX can get a tire to 115 psi but it takes effort. You have to hold the head very steady while trying to pump with the other hand. You are depending completely on upper body strength to pump the tire. Often you have to brace the tire against something (your thigh works) and push really hard to get to the final pressure. It's easy to rip the stem out of a tube with one.

With Topeaks, on the other hand, you put the end of the pump on the ground and you use your body weight to push down on the pump. It's much easier to get the tire to the pressure you want without ripping the stem out.

The HPX may be more pleasing to the eye but the Topeak works better. Personally, I choose function over form.

tarwheel 

I have a Zefal HPX as well as a Topeak Road Morph. I agree with cyccommute that the Road Morph functions better than the Zefal, and I also agree with the OP that I like the appearance and mounting of a full frame pump. I wish that someone would make a full size frame pump with the functionality of the Road Morph. Most of my bikes have pump pegs, and it is much simpler and cleaner looking to mount a pump under the top tube, so I continue to use the Zefal most of the time. I keep my Road Morph attached to my touring bike because it has a third bottle mount under the downtube where I can attach it. The problem with the Road Morph is that you either have to give up a bottle mount or strap it to your frame with ugly zip ties, unless you have a seat bag or panniers large enough to contain it.

bhchdh 

I have the Roadmorph-g, mountianmorph-g, and the Parktool frame pump https://www.parktool.com/product/dial...ame-pump-pmp-5. Of the three I like the mountian morph best, it just seems to get 32 and 35 tires full faster. The gauges on both of the morphs are a little sticky and give only an aproximate pressure. Of course the Parktool has no gauge, but it does adjust to fit different frame sizes or locations.

bhchdh 

There are bottle mounts available that mount below and to the side of the cage, allowing you to mount the cage and the pump.

robert schlatte

Just now I looked at the Lezyne. Question for Lezyne users: For touring tires 80 to 100psi, which is recommended, HP(high pressure) or HV(high volume) version?

rodar y rodar

Why, why, WHY can`t we get them like that??? If I ever find one, I`ll buy a whole batch before they disappear!

I agree with R.Schlatte and 718 too. When I set up a beautiful old lugged bike several years ago, I bought an equally beautiful frame pump to hang under the TT. After ripping out the first stem, I went back to ugly pumps with tubes. My personal favorite is Serfas, though I`ve used Topeak and Lezeyne as well, and they also work much better than any traditional stick" pumps.

tarwheel 

I am aware of that, but to me mounting pumps beside bottle cages also looks bad and gets in the way. I realize that aesthetics sometimes have to give way to functionality, but I don't understand why we can't have both when it comes to pumps. BTW, I also carry a CO2 cartridge in my seat bag and generally use that as the first choice when fixing flats. However, I also carry a pump in case I get more than one flat and run out of CO2, having learned that lesson the hard way.

cyccommute 

You can also carry the Topeak under the top tube



The clip I use is similar to this one. Topeak supplies the center line mount with its pump which can be mounted similarly.. Or you could use a couple of Zefal Doodads.

cycle_maven

Road Morph G, with the gauge so you can fill a tire to the right pressure. Who cares about the looks? It's the function that's important- after a week you'll be covered with road debris and duct tape and stinking of sweat and campfire smoke and the aesthetics of a frame pump will matter then, how?

Tourist in MSN

I would get the high pressure version. Takes more pump strokes but is easier to push. The handle you are pushing on is pretty small and pushing really hard can hurt a bit. For that reason, I even prefer the high pressure version for my 26X2.0 tires. The Toppeak Road Morph handle is bigger than the Lezyne Micro Floor Drive, thus if you were looking at the Toppeak, that is less of an issue.

This is a touring forum. Are you carrying a pannier? If so, put your pump in the pannier if you think it is that bad looking.

I kind of like the looks of either the Lezyne Micro Floor Drive or the Toppeak Road Morph on a bracket on the downtube. I have a Zefal bracket on the water bottle cage bolts that I use with either the Lezyne or Toppeak. Both the Lezyne and Toppeak have smaller diameters than the bracket so I put some pieces of inner tube rubber over the pump cylinder to make them fit better.



Or, use rule number 30, Silca pump.
https://www.velominati.com/the-rules/
I am joking on the Silca, I would expect the pump to fall off and possibly get in your spokes.

fietsbob

I have long used full length frame Pumps, the stroke length gets the Higher compression ratio..
before those munchkin floor pumps were sold.

My hand made Touring Bike has 2 side by side Top tubes , the pump nestles between them.

I have 2 Silca Impero Pumps, They are velcro strapped on , to cure any fall off .

But they are on C&V bikes, not my long distance self supported ones for Touring..

I have a Topeak Morph its inside my Carradice Saddle Bag. on my commuter.



I Thought a Pump Above the top tube would be better than beneath It.

lifting the Touring Bike , by the toptube , invariably dislodges the Pump..

so a rear of the seat tube or paralleling the left seat stay
may be a better pump peg brazing location..

my Koga WTR came with riv nuts under the top tube .. to do that.. an on center clip
came with the pump.
I took the pump off and put it inside the saddle bag .

robert schlatte

[QUOTE=Tourist in MSN;16444233]I would get the high pressure version. Takes more pump strokes but is easier to push. The handle you are pushing on is pretty small and pushing really hard can hurt a bit. For that reason, I even prefer the high pressure version for my 26X2.0 tires. The Toppeak Road Morph handle is bigger than the Lezyne Micro Floor Drive, thus if you were looking at the Toppeak, that is less of an issue.

Good advice. Thanks.

willawingwong

I agree as well! Doesn't seem like it's something that can't be done.

Wanderer

Topeak mountain morph G pumps faster, and easily goes to 115#.

Vintage_Cyclist

Zefal used to make a full-sized frame pump (Zefal Soliblock) that had a screw-in hose, so the body of the pump wasn't attached directly to the tube's valve.



The Zefal HPX is still being made. Rivendell sells it and you can probably get it off Amazon as well. Might be possible for someone to come up with a short hose adapter to put on a current frame pump. Perhaps modified from a floor pump replacement hose.

thenomad

Bingo! We have a winner folks!
Why is this such a hard concept? I think I want to start R&D on this!
I like screw on presta nozzles and a guage can even be centrally mounted. A frame pump with extra hose in the bag. Brilliant!

iforgotmename

I had a mountain morph for some time and liked it until it started filling with water. I ride in all conditions so this may not be an issue for all riders.

djb

I had zefals for years, replaced one after it fell off frame and a car ran over it, the next one lasted a long time as well until kids took it apart and parts were lost, plus I got tired of the comments cycco mentions.

the road morph is easy to use, as said, you dont use your arm strength like with the other, the foot brace is great, it pumps to over 100 easily and you never have to worry about damaging a valve from having to hold the pump properly or the bike tipping while pumping.

the other thing I like is that being shorter, its easy to just throw into whatever pannier I have on the bike I am using that day.