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05-02-07, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by N_C
I will be using the book Effective Cycling as a starter fuel for my charcoal grill this year & when I go camping to light the camp fire. That's about all it is good for.
05-03-07, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by sbhikes
What the hell is wrong with being a fred? I'm a total fredette. I wear street clothes most of the time. I ride an average of 12 mph. Often less. On weekends I ride with people who either don't wear lycra or really shouldn't because they are very fat. Some of them are very old, too, and can only go about 6 mph. I wait for them at the rest stops.
I think my experience chugging to work each day counts more than some peloton rider. Peloton riding seems to bear little resemblance to ordinary transportational cycling. How easy it is to puff your chest out about your "skills" when you aren't carrying 40lbs of groceries chugging solo up some huge hill.
I think my experience chugging to work each day counts more than some peloton rider. Peloton riding seems to bear little resemblance to ordinary transportational cycling. How easy it is to puff your chest out about your "skills" when you aren't carrying 40lbs of groceries chugging solo up some huge hill.
05-03-07, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Helmet head
I swear we've been over this before. VC does NOT mean "taking the lane".
On my way home today, I rode in the 2' gutter adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane. It was VC. Know why? Because it was 3 lanes of 60 mph traffic in my direction on a steep uphill where I was going 6 mph. I rode in the same space (only taking less of it) as I would have has I been driving some slow moving construction vehicle.
On my way home today, I rode in the 2' gutter adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane. It was VC. Know why? Because it was 3 lanes of 60 mph traffic in my direction on a steep uphill where I was going 6 mph. I rode in the same space (only taking less of it) as I would have has I been driving some slow moving construction vehicle.
Originally Posted by N_C
I read Effective Cycling, have you HH? It indirectly states, among many other facts, one irrefutable one. VC does mean you take the lane, under no circumstances are cyclists to not do this. At least this is how I interprite much of what the book is about.
05-03-07, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Have you read Bicycling Street Smarts?
05-03-07, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
On my way home today, I rode in the 2' gutter adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane. It was VC. Know why? Because it was 3 lanes of 60 mph traffic in my direction on a steep uphill where I was going 6 mph. I rode in the same space (only taking less of it) as I would have has I been driving some slow moving construction vehicle.
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05-03-07, 07:15 AM
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Let's ask the Doctor to be sure...
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Advanced VC (AVC) - Using assertive "centerish" lane positioning to discourage lane sharing/squeezing when the lane is too narrow to be safely shared.
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
I swear we've been over this before. VC does NOT mean "taking the lane".
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
To be entirely within a lane, your tire must be one foot to the left or right of the lane stripe. To be vehicular, if you're 2' wide, the only time your wheels should be within one foot of the lane stripe is when you're changing lanes. That's not a difference of a few inches, that's a difference of two feet.
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
I rode in the 2' gutter adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane.
Originally Posted by Helmet Head
I think more and more that "cyclist inferiority" is spot on.
05-03-07, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
Do you ride in pacelines and/or tight/fast pelotons that average 20 mph over hilly terrain much, Bek?
Something tells me you don't, and if you did, most of the yelling would be directed at you.
Something tells me you don't, and if you did, most of the yelling would be directed at you.
05-03-07, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by N_C
No, but if it is anything like Effective Cycling or if it only gives one sided views like EC, & is full of propaganda that you & JF like to spout off about I have no interest in it. So do tell what it is about before I waste my money on it.
https://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/index.htm
05-03-07, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by galen_52657
Can't agree HH. Bek would be OTB on the first climb...
05-03-07, 10:02 AM
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Galen, you've met Bek? I mean, perhaps he's fast, perhaps not, but I cannot tell, having not met him. So, you've met him and riden with him?
I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.
Just say'n...
I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.
Just say'n...
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
05-03-07, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by natelutkjohn
Let's ask the Doctor to be sure...
There is nothing nonvehicular in drivers of slow moving vehicles using safe and reasonable space to the right, between intersections, to allow faster traffic to pass. In some cases this can be the gutter.
This should be no surprise to anyone who understands VC.
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Curb hugging, whether being done by a motorist or by a cyclist, depends so much on the particular situation. Sometimes it is appropriate, ...
05-03-07, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
Galen, you've met Bek? I mean, perhaps he's fast, perhaps not, but I cannot tell, having not met him. So, you've met him and riden with him?
I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.
Just say'n...
I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.
Just say'n...
05-03-07, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff
Galen, you've met Bek? I mean, perhaps he's fast, perhaps not, but I cannot tell, having not met him. So, you've met him and riden with him?
I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.
Just say'n...
I don't know if he's fast, but he's strong. He bike toured from Seattle down to Portland and all around the Portland metro area, from North Portland all the way down to my haunts in Wilsonville.
Just say'n...
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey
05-03-07, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by galen_52657
Lets not get all politically-correct-undies-in-a-wad-can't-take-a-joke on us there Brian
(yes, I know I am guilty of this too sometimes)
05-03-07, 10:43 AM
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If it was a joke Galen, then I appologize. But it seemed a bit malevolent and backstabby. Just say'n...
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
05-03-07, 10:43 AM
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(BTW Galen, my post was sarcastic too. Can't take what you dish?)
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
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"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
05-03-07, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by joejack951
This is an internet forum where sarcasm does not easily get conveyed. If you are going to make a joking/sarcastic post, make it extremely obvious that it is a joke/sarcastic otherwise we'll just end up wasting way more bandwidth than we already do. Please don't make me call you Chipcom 2.0
(yes, I know I am guilty of this too sometimes)
(yes, I know I am guilty of this too sometimes)
But, in this case I thought the sarcasm in Galen's comment was pretty obvious, since it was clearly about how Bek rides, and all of us regulars know they live thousands of miles apart, so it couldn't possibly be serious.
I think the sarcasm targetted at other member's positions on issues is much more problematic and subject to confusion.
05-03-07, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by rando
what's OTB?
05-03-07, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by rando
what's OTB?
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
If you think there is a contradiction in there somewhere, you're going to have to point it out to me.
There is nothing nonvehicular in drivers of slow moving vehicles using safe and reasonable space to the right, between intersections, to allow faster traffic to pass. In some cases this can be the gutter.
This should be no surprise to anyone who understands VC.
There is nothing nonvehicular in drivers of slow moving vehicles using safe and reasonable space to the right, between intersections, to allow faster traffic to pass. In some cases this can be the gutter.
This should be no surprise to anyone who understands VC.
read the threads those came from for the contradictions - but that's not why I posted it, I just always though it would be funny to see you argue with yourself, lol - it's jut too easy
But to see it if you like, go to the "road margins" thread and then this comment - "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" inferiority abounds!
05-03-07, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by natelutkjohn
read the threads those came from for the contradictions - but that's not why I posted it, I just always though it would be funny to see you argue with yourself, lol - it's jut too easyBut to see it if you like, go to the "road margins" thread and then this comment - "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" inferiority abounds!
What about the comment "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" causes you to conclude "inferiority abounds"?
05-03-07, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Helmet Head
What is the "road margins" thread?
What about the comment "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" causes you to conclude "inferiority abounds"?
What about the comment "adjacent to a 12-13 foot lane" causes you to conclude "inferiority abounds"?
)- I'm not here to argue about a "method" that changes as the wind changes - just here to have fun pointing out your contradictions.