What's going on? Why don't more U.S. women ride bikes?
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And most of what Sunstorm suggests would get more riders in general out on the road.
As a side note to this discussion, yesterday I did a long ride across Massachusetts (137 miles) and probably because of this thread took note of the number of and gender of the other biker riders I saw as I crossed the state. To my surprise female cyclists outnumbered males 21 to 15. There were too many cyclists on the bike path through Northampton to count so they don't figure into my numbers but women were very well represented there. Included in the female cyclists I saw were 2 women in full "racing/training" road bike kit, a woman (solo) with a bike loaded with panniers and camping gear- the bike and the equipment all looked brand new so I don't think she'd been out long, lots of recreational riders, high school age girls just getting around by bike and a woman on a short stretch of bike path in Hudson with not 1, not 2 but 4 kids- 2 of them on their own little bikes and two toddlers in a bike trailer.
The comments around "club riding" and racing are for me almost a different discussion from just the using bikes to go places. Those add a factor of cycling as a "social event" and despite my having been a founding member of one of the largest clubs in the US I gave up on club/group rides years ago. Any woman who is put off cycling by the patronizing, overly attentive, unsolicited advice giving males of many club rides and training rides gets my complete understanding.
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That "issue" of "too many cyclists to count" on the bike path is interesting...
Is it possible that forcing cyclists to share the road with motorists also has something to do with the preponderance in the US of a generally male cycling population?
Is it possible that forcing cyclists to share the road with motorists also has something to do with the preponderance in the US of a generally male cycling population?
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Certainly bike infrastructure draws people to cycling and it does appear that women prefer cycle specific accommodations like bike lanes and paths but 98% of my ride yesterday was on the road and most of the cyclists in my informal count were on the road and still women outnumbered men.
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BarracksSi - I honestly don't know why the competent women aren't leading. I'm very new to the group (this is the first time I have ever shown up) so I didn't ask around to find out who the most competent riders were, then walk up and ask them. What was interesting listening to the male ride leaders talking about the females in the group; learned one woman completed chemo then did a century on the same day, that another was hit by a car the day before an endurance event and still placed in competition, another had lost 100pounds biking, and that another one 'burns the roads up' on every ride and can out ride any of the lead guys. These guys were speaking with obvious admiration for these women, so I don't know why they aren't leading. These are women that, unless I get to the point of owning an actual road bike and really riding at 20mph+ I will likely never actually know.
Penny4 - This all women's group has been meeting every week for 9 years. In 9 years, I'm pretty confident that some of these women have the experience to be leaders. Some of the women had been biking for over 2 decades, and one of the leaders was a man who had only started biking two years ago at the age of 70. I don't dislike the guys...don't get me wrong. It just seems really strange to me, as a woman, that in an all female ride, every leader was a guy, even when there are women there that the leaders say are better than they are. Part of the reason I was aware of it was that the guys were in the LBS's jerseys to lead the ride, they were obviously in charge and making all the decisions, and I showed up to an women's only ride expecting...well...all women. It just, to me, came across as very patriarchial. maybe I'm wrong. And I'm not blaming the guys, just think that perhaps it isn't just promoting biking among the rank and file of the female population...but about promoting leadership among competent female bikers at local, regional, national and international levels.
Penny4 - This all women's group has been meeting every week for 9 years. In 9 years, I'm pretty confident that some of these women have the experience to be leaders. Some of the women had been biking for over 2 decades, and one of the leaders was a man who had only started biking two years ago at the age of 70. I don't dislike the guys...don't get me wrong. It just seems really strange to me, as a woman, that in an all female ride, every leader was a guy, even when there are women there that the leaders say are better than they are. Part of the reason I was aware of it was that the guys were in the LBS's jerseys to lead the ride, they were obviously in charge and making all the decisions, and I showed up to an women's only ride expecting...well...all women. It just, to me, came across as very patriarchial. maybe I'm wrong. And I'm not blaming the guys, just think that perhaps it isn't just promoting biking among the rank and file of the female population...but about promoting leadership among competent female bikers at local, regional, national and international levels.
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Certainly bike infrastructure draws people to cycling and it does appear that women prefer cycle specific accommodations like bike lanes and paths but 98% of my ride yesterday was on the road and most of the cyclists in my informal count were on the road and still women outnumbered men.
Your quote: "There were too many cyclists on the bike path through Northampton to count so they don't figure into my numbers but women were very well represented there."
Perhaps I am misreading this, but that seems to indicate that there were far more cyclists on the path than on the streets... but indeed women still outnumbered men.
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except in the area where cyclists were too numerous to count...
Your quote: "There were too many cyclists on the bike path through Northampton to count so they don't figure into my numbers but women were very well represented there."
Perhaps I am misreading this, but that seems to indicate that there were far more cyclists on the path than on the streets... but indeed women still outnumbered men.
Your quote: "There were too many cyclists on the bike path through Northampton to count so they don't figure into my numbers but women were very well represented there."
Perhaps I am misreading this, but that seems to indicate that there were far more cyclists on the path than on the streets... but indeed women still outnumbered men.
If your implication is that more and better infrastructure would attract more cyclists of both genders and possibly even more women I would agree.
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Oh no, you are definitely NOT misreading it. You are correct. For the roughly 5-6 miles of bike path and 132 miles of road I saw more cyclists on the bike path than I did on the entire rest of the ride. Granted it was 6 pm by then and a gorgeous summer's evening but still...
If your implication is that more and better infrastructure would attract more cyclists of both genders and possibly even more women I would agree.
If your implication is that more and better infrastructure would attract more cyclists of both genders and possibly even more women I would agree.
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Actually, I am married. And my wife rides (she rides fast, climbs, and does centuries). She doesn't commute though. She recently re-entered the workforce and was excited with the prospect of riding to work. And yes, she is a knockout who takes forever to get ready to go out.
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Actually, I am married. And my wife rides (she rides fast, climbs, and does centuries). She doesn't commute though. She recently re-entered the workforce and was excited with the prospect of riding to work. And yes, she is a knockout who takes forever to get ready to go out.
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I have had situations riding my bike where I was followed by some creepy men. In some cases, they pass me first, only to turn around and drive by slowly giving me a lecherous look. Other times they stop and ask if I need help(while I am obviously just stopped at a traffic light), but then look me up and down and linger way too long.
**** is unfortunately all too common. Either a woman has already been ***** once, almost ***** but got away, or knows friends who have. If I am alone on a bike and some weirdo comes up to me in a car, I am screwed.
Now really guys, how often on a bike ride do you fear that you will be visciously attacked and sexually violated? I am guessing never.
I am certainly not paranoid nor am I a wimp. I own a shotgun and know how to use it. I ride hundreds of miles a week, alone. But, it can be quite disconcerting for most women to do what I do every day.
And add to that, that I have to look at a powder blue bike, when really I would have loved to have some sort of orange or red and black beast instead just adds insult to injury. Powdercoat? Really, that is the solution. I am supposed to buy a bike which is ugly, but have to get the pink/powder blue monstrosity anyway because the don't make nice looking bikes in the size and geometry that I need, then on top of the expense of the bike I need to strip all of the components, and send it out to get repainted for an added cost of $200. Then I need to reinstall of the components, and readjust everything. When you boys just have to go into any bike shop, test ride any number of bikes and ride out with one the same day.
I had to "test ride" a bike that was 6cm larger than I need. I couldn't even reach the freakin pedals. The salesperson(my brother by the way) had to have me do the test ride on a trainer so I wouldn't crash it because I cound't reach the pedals or touch the ground because of the stand over height.
so, here are your reasons that probably apply to most women
1. Fear of traffic
2. Fearful of a lack of personal safety
3. Harassment from drivers(beer cans tossed, rocks, vile comments)
4. Too damn busy working, taking care of the home and kids
5. Can't fix a flat and don't care to learn/have no one to teach them
6. Bikes can't be test ridden because our sizes are never in stock
7. Bikes are too freakin ugly, insultingly childish. It isn't just about vanity, it is just plain degrading to ride something so childish and stereotypically feminine. It is tantamount to a men's bike having dump truck stickers and buzz lightyear decals. Would a grown man really ride something like that?
8. Won't commute because we need too many accesories. Just too much trouble.
9. Won't commute because we refuse to enter the building looking like a sweaty disheveled mess. Maybe guys can get away with that, but we can't. The deck is already stacked against us at work as it is.
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BTW: Nice indictment of men there, I guess if that's the way to see us then there are larger issues than women cycling.
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Oh, And where did I indict men?
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So Skye, when guys pull over to harass you (I'm assuming you are male), are you at all concerned that part of thier intent is to drag you in their vehicle and abduct you, with all the possibiities that might occur with that? I may be naive, but in 1998 one of my high school friends was ***** and murdered on a bike commute from college classes to her job. It was a 'rural' road and the guy parked his van across the road, blocking the route at a location where the other option was to back track 4 miles or traverse a ravine, then acted as if he was having a medical emergency (and video recorded the whole thing, which is what signed his death row ticket). I realize it is a rarity, but when the rarity becomes the reality in your own life.... I don't know about you, but it affects how I percieve such an action. Doesn't stop me from riding, but it does mean I do take precautions, and sometimes those precautions include NOT riding.
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BarracksSi - I honestly don't know why the competent women aren't leading. I'm very new to the group (this is the first time I have ever shown up) so I didn't ask around to find out who the most competent riders were, then walk up and ask them. What was interesting listening to the male ride leaders talking about the females in the group; learned one woman completed chemo then did a century on the same day, that another was hit by a car the day before an endurance event and still placed in competition, another had lost 100pounds biking, and that another one 'burns the roads up' on every ride and can out ride any of the lead guys. These guys were speaking with obvious admiration for these women, so I don't know why they aren't leading. These are women that, unless I get to the point of owning an actual road bike and really riding at 20mph+ I will likely never actually know.
Penny4 - This all women's group has been meeting every week for 9 years. In 9 years, I'm pretty confident that some of these women have the experience to be leaders. Some of the women had been biking for over 2 decades, and one of the leaders was a man who had only started biking two years ago at the age of 70. I don't dislike the guys...don't get me wrong. It just seems really strange to me, as a woman, that in an all female ride, every leader was a guy, even when there are women there that the leaders say are better than they are. Part of the reason I was aware of it was that the guys were in the LBS's jerseys to lead the ride, they were obviously in charge and making all the decisions, and I showed up to an women's only ride expecting...well...all women. It just, to me, came across as very patriarchial. maybe I'm wrong. And I'm not blaming the guys, just think that perhaps it isn't just promoting biking among the rank and file of the female population...but about promoting leadership among competent female bikers at local, regional, national and international levels.
Penny4 - This all women's group has been meeting every week for 9 years. In 9 years, I'm pretty confident that some of these women have the experience to be leaders. Some of the women had been biking for over 2 decades, and one of the leaders was a man who had only started biking two years ago at the age of 70. I don't dislike the guys...don't get me wrong. It just seems really strange to me, as a woman, that in an all female ride, every leader was a guy, even when there are women there that the leaders say are better than they are. Part of the reason I was aware of it was that the guys were in the LBS's jerseys to lead the ride, they were obviously in charge and making all the decisions, and I showed up to an women's only ride expecting...well...all women. It just, to me, came across as very patriarchial. maybe I'm wrong. And I'm not blaming the guys, just think that perhaps it isn't just promoting biking among the rank and file of the female population...but about promoting leadership among competent female bikers at local, regional, national and international levels.
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Can't read your own post?
Men seem to fall into two categories ignorant or predator according to women like you.
Take for example the "lecherous men", have you even stopped to think they could be confused or be checking out the frigging bike?! I know I'm always checking out what others are riding be it a man or a woman riding. Maybe they wanted to form a pace line, but after getting a death stare they reconsidered.
Men seem to fall into two categories ignorant or predator according to women like you.
Take for example the "lecherous men", have you even stopped to think they could be confused or be checking out the frigging bike?! I know I'm always checking out what others are riding be it a man or a woman riding. Maybe they wanted to form a pace line, but after getting a death stare they reconsidered.
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what kind of a woman am I, toots? Huh? Huh?
Hope you don't mind me sharing your man here for a bit, S&S, but I figure there won't be much left of him later.
Hope you don't mind me sharing your man here for a bit, S&S, but I figure there won't be much left of him later.
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I would much rather be mugged for the 6 dollars in my wallet than *****. Just sayin... Plus you happen to be wrong. It isn't a zero sum game, because it isn't as if we are immune to being mugged either. So what applies to a man in regards to getting mugged, also applies to us plus the risk of ****. Street robberies = 174,000 in 2009, 88,000 rapes
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I would much rather be mugged for the 6 dollars in my wallet than *****. Just sayin... Plus you happen to be wrong. It isn't a zero sum game, because it isn't as if we are immune to being mugged either. So what applies to a man in regards to getting mugged, also applies to us plus the risk of ****. Street robberies = 174,000 in 2009, 88,000 rapes
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Can't read your own post?
Men seem to fall into two categories ignorant or predator according to women like you.
Take for example the "lecherous men", have you even stopped to think they could be confused or be checking out the frigging bike?! I know I'm always checking out what others are riding be it a man or a woman riding. Maybe they wanted to form a pace line, but after getting a death stare they reconsidered.
Men seem to fall into two categories ignorant or predator according to women like you.
Take for example the "lecherous men", have you even stopped to think they could be confused or be checking out the frigging bike?! I know I'm always checking out what others are riding be it a man or a woman riding. Maybe they wanted to form a pace line, but after getting a death stare they reconsidered.
No, not all men or even most men are ignorant. skye is ignorant. That is the only ignorant person I was referring to. Try rereading my posts.
I doubt the dude in the beat up ford bronco who passed me on a rural road, only to then turn around to give me this look wanted to form a pace line. Unless what I call a pace line and what you call a pace line are two different things.
I get asked often if I need help. As a woman on the side of the road, it is to be expected. I may even get asked that up to four times in one ride. The vast majority of these folks clearly mean well. I am quite sure of that. However, maybe three or four times a year there will be one creepy dude that makes my skin crawl with his actions.
Let me make this clear. I do not think men fall into one of two categories of ignorant or predator. That is ridiculous. Men, like women cannot be categorized in such a simplistic manner. I do not hate or dislike men. In fact, I often feel much more comfortable socializing with men than I do women. I can do my own mechanical work, hate make up and frilly ****, and just generally tend to get along with men better. So don't start thinking I am some Oprah-loving man-basher. I am not.
I merely stated in my post some possible reasons as to why many women might not feel comfortable riding a bike as an activity. I ride 100 to 200 miles a week, so clearly those things aren't enough to sway me away from cycling.
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That goes for the elderly too.... Now if only I could legally carry my shotgun on my bike in NJ.....
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Find me a rider here doing 100-200 miles/week that doesn't have a few "encounters" a year where they are afraid for more than just their wallet.
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I asked the leader of the beginner group 'are there any women who would be able to lead this?' and he assured me there are a lot of really great female riders at this weekly ride, but none of them lead the ride groups. Huh? Now, this guy was really nice, reassuring, worked hard to make beginners feel comfortable, etc, but he is still a guy. If there are competent women, why aren't they leading? Is it lack of interest on the 'better' women's parts? was it that no one had suggested, asked, or offered them the oppurtunity to lead? (the leaders weren't employees of the shop, so that wasn't the limitation.)
Our club has a fair number of women ride leaders. We even have some women only events.
Note that one can be a "great" rider and not be a competent ride leader.
Penny4 - This all women's group has been meeting every week for 9 years. In 9 years, I'm pretty confident that some of these women have the experience to be leaders. Some of the women had been biking for over 2 decades, and one of the leaders was a man who had only started biking two years ago at the age of 70. I don't dislike the guys...don't get me wrong. It just seems really strange to me, as a woman, that in an all female ride, every leader was a guy, even when there are women there that the leaders say are better than they are. Part of the reason I was aware of it was that the guys were in the LBS's jerseys to lead the ride, they were obviously in charge and making all the decisions, and I showed up to an women's only ride expecting...well...all women. It just, to me, came across as very patriarchial. maybe I'm wrong. And I'm not blaming the guys, just think that perhaps it isn't just promoting biking among the rank and file of the female population...but about promoting leadership among competent female bikers at local, regional, national and international levels.
Leading is an additional skill and interest.
I'd guess that the organizers of this ride would even prefer having women lead it but chose to run the ride even without having any available. It's even possible that, in the 9 year history of the ride, there were women leaders for some of them.
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Let me make this clear. I do not think men fall into one of two categories of ignorant or predator. That is ridiculous. Men, like women cannot be categorized in such a simplistic manner. I do not hate or dislike men. In fact, I often feel much more comfortable socializing with men than I do women. I can do my own mechanical work, hate make up and frilly ****, and just generally tend to get along with men better. So don't start thinking I am some Oprah-loving man-basher. I am not.
I'm just sayin'....