mattm

Any bets on what the Elite Nationals course(s) will be up around Tahoe for 2015/2016?

N. Lake Tahoe is the only detail I've seen so far.

hack

I know quite a few that have done it and they're alive. I've driven around it enough times and can only think of a couple stretches on the east side that could be sketchy if drivers are looking at the lake and not the road.

hyperlitenerd

I hope to be at henleyville too! See you there! BF break?

hack

reroute the thread deviation...

Yeah, seemed that things worked out with Vacaville and RedKite. My guess is there are fears of dwindly entries in the more remote races locales and forcing new races off the calendar will kick those entries back up, in theory. It's just hard to justify driving to Reno for a race when a Bay Area'er can drive 3+ hours less and race a few times at Red Kite.

I'd think they'd be wise to really evaluate what races are the "classics" based on courses and actual quality of the races over time moreso than "well its been on there for a long time". Weed out the remote races that have little draw and have little "classic" value and replace with easy to host events where more people are inclined to race. If there are worries about flat crits yielding crummy racers, make the races longer (shoot, NCC's are flat at times).

You'll irk a few racers, but win over several more, in my opinion. If San Ardo wasn't district championship this year, how may would have actually gone? Seemed there were more SoCal racers than NorCal in the open fields. Dump it and keep University. Sucks for Velo Promo, but with new competition in town, they need to take a real look at their events.

Racer Ex 

I didn't know NCNCA's reason for being was to develop world class racers and that flat crits don't. Because two of the best young USA kids come from Texas (Haga and Craddock) where it's mostly flat crits and flat RR's. Those guys seem to climb OK.

Market should decide. If you're a concert promoter and get 1000 people at a punk show and 50 at an oboe concerto you'd have to be a blithering idiot to cut out a bunch of punk shows believing that more people will start showing up at the oboe gigs.

Hey, I'm sorry if Red Kite outdrew Hanford or whatever. But NCNCA should be working on building racing MEMBERSHIP not trying to find the next Boy Wonder.

Racer Ex 

Bet on a Northstar circuit. Possible they could also look at a 267/89 loop. They used that for Tour De Nez one year in June. It snowed. Most of the field abandoned and drank coffee in Truckee.

hack

Agreed with you here.

Not sure if the comments were residual frustration promoters had over RedKite having larger draws than the more historical races or if they were the result of the result of some folks in NCNCA having different visions of NCNCA's purpose. As a newer racer, I like having the option of being able to take on a flat RR or crit one week and a hilly RR or crit the next and a tough stage race the following week.

UmneyDurak

Red Kite is a run of the mill race, but it is close. Plus it provides opportunity for people good at sprinting to get points. At least in lower categories.

I missed it, what started the whole discussion about Red Kite?

Personally I was highly bummed out that RedKite, Vacaville and Giro fell on the same weeekend. That meant Vacaville was a no go for me, and I like that race. RedKite provided best opportunity for points, Giro was for fun, but I still wanted to do good on it. That meant no racing on Sunday, and making it three days in a row of racing.

hack

Nothing major...there was some chatter on the NCNCA Yahoo page about 2015 and where promoters should focus their attention.

Ygduf

oh man. Promoting races is so hard and thankless people should just stfu and try and support whatever races there are!

mattm

If you can't do 3 crits in a 3-day weekend, you should work on recovery.

mattm

Cool. Those are all downhill right??

hack

Since I'll be "old enough" next year, I'll be able to try my hand at 3+ crits in a day at RedKite (assuming they keep 3/4, 2/3, 3/4 35+, 1/2/3 35+ categories). I have no illusions that the masters fields will be easier, I just enjoy racing.

UmneyDurak

I do ice, I do rollers, and stick, I even do compression gear. I cut out or greatly reduced other activities. Like no climbing 3 days a week, ball room dancing, or going for a 3 hour spirited ride in the hills on my motorcycle. I took almost a week off at some point. My legs feel constantly sore, and if I race too much in short amount of time my top end plunges. I am open to suggestions.

mattm

Protein.

I bet you aren't getting enough, or not enough within 30 mins of workouts.

If not that, I dunno!

tetonrider

sattley TT is the rumor i'm hearing (and it should be a certified 40k).

UmneyDurak

Hmm, maybe. I drink that insure with the magic 4:1 ration of carbsrotein. At night I drink a glass of milk mixed with two scoops of protein powder. Just from that I am getting 41grams of easily digestible protein, plus whatever from usual foods.

mattm

The total amount and timing matters too, not just the ratio. You should be downing some carbs + protein right after races/training rides.

At least this is my understanding and what I try to do.

How many grams/day depends on who you ask.. but 41g + 20-30g depending on what you eat really isn't enough for an endurance athlete, I think.

50g/day is for normal people, so "special" athletes like us need more than that at least.

Protein isn't the only key to recovery, but it's definitely a factor I think.

shovelhd

I would not drink a shake at night unless you just finished your workout. Ideally you want to supplement protein right after exercise.

UmneyDurak

I heard/read that it does help to consume easily digestable protein before sleep? Bro Science! lol.
In your opinion, why not?
I drink ensure thing right after. It has 9grams for proteing and 33grams of carbs. Probably not the best thing for recovery, but it doesn't taste horrible, and doesn't have to be prepared/refrigerated.

Dutch Jazz

The Dutch Olympic Committee and Ministry of Welfare and Sport sponsors a research institute that keep up to date on all the research related to sports and nutrition and the like.

They recently released a fact sheet stating that according to research athletes require around 1.4 to 1.7 gram protein per kg bodymass when athletes are looking to improve muscle mass. Athletes maintaining their current muscle mass require around 1.0 to 1.2 gram protein per kg to prevent deterioration and soreness of the muscles.

However: there is a crux, being that consuming more then 20g protein per meal is useless. The body either burns the excess protein or transforms it into fat.

You should spread your protein consumption over the day. Before the training you can consume 20g of protein. During the exercise protein is not really necessary. And it is recommended to take "quick" proteins after exercise. You can take 20g every 3 hours after heavy efforts.

Taking up to 40 gram protein before going to sleep promotes recovering, however that research is not yet completely confirmed I believe.

Further things to consider: alcohol and medication slow down the process of protein conversion.

Please note: after excersise it is equally important to consume plenty of carbs to replenish the glycogen reserves.

globecanvas

Is this established?

Dutch Jazz

I suppose so.

You can read more about it here: https://www.biomedcentral.com/content...-7075-9-91.pdf

UmneyDurak

Science! Thx for posting.

UmneyDurak

Well CCCX didn't go according to plan. Got swamped on the back. Saw my friend go on outside, by the time I made it out of the pack and on that side I was still 3/4 back, and he was first making right turn going down the hill. Said screw it punched it on down hill. Which was idea from the start since I put crit setup on my bike, aero wheels 11/23 cassette, although I was planning on making a gap and not trying to get to the front. Anyway blew past everyone, jumped on my friends wheel. So now I am fourth wheel. We round the corner and start the sprint on slight incline... and my legs gave out. Few people blew past me, and I ended up 11th. I guess it beats being shelled off the back last time I did this course.

Still very disappointing. Debating whether to bother with Oakland or just call it a season.