Originally Posted by Mr IGH

- Proper spoke for the application.
- Lightweight rims (sub 500gm) don't require anything beyond 2.0/1.8/2.0 spokes.
- A 32 spoke wheel with sub 500gm rim built properly will reach end-of-life from rim failure, not spoke breakage. This is esp true with today's 130mm/135mm hubs with less dish than BITD 120mm 6-speed freewheel hubs.
- Using heavier 2.3mm butts at the bend instead of 2.0mm is to compensate for poor wheel building skills, not to add any actual advantage for properly designed and properly build wheels.
- DT 2.3/1.8/2.0 spokes don't offer any advantage over standard 2.0/1.8/2.0 spokes.
- DT doesn't use 2.3/1.8/2.0 spokes on any of their premade wheels and none of them have more than 28 spokes (those are MTB wheelsets, road wheelsets are 24 spoke for disc, 20/16 for road)....
- The canard about double butted spokes relieving stress at the bend and adding to spoke life doesn't follow the simplest engineering principals known to successful 1st year engineering students....
- No one has ever demonstrated the "DB spokes make the wheel stronger" theory with computer simulations either....
- The reason why no one has demonstrated the theory with computer simulation it is because it's false....

Originally Posted by Layingback

I can do the analysis in Ansys to come up with a definitive answer to your hypothesis. Just because it has not been done does not mean it is either true or false. That perception is flawed logic.

Originally Posted by Layingback

I can do the analysis in Ansys to come up with a definitive answer to your hypothesis. Just because it has not been done does not mean it is either true or false. That perception is flawed logic.

Originally Posted by Slaninar

Does sound interesting. Could you (also?) test if there's a point in (very) diminishing returns in terms of wheel's strength when handling vertical (radial) and lateral loads as spoke tension increases - all other things being equal?

Originally Posted by Layingback

Rim quality (in Aluminim: heat treatment, joining process, cross section design) greatly affect vertical and lateral loads. Spoke tension eveness is affected by the rim strength, which inturn affects structure.