Help with the frame!
05-29-17 | 10:54 AM
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Help with the frame!
Hoi!
I just bought vintage road bicycle from some guy for restoration! The problem is that, the frame doesen't have any decals.
Only on BB there is a Nervex lug stamp, and also some frame number. The top tube size is 56cm;
This frame have Simplex dropouts, and huret allvit groupset, TA Cranks.I think its some vintage 60-70s frame from France;
So maybe someone can help me to find out the frame brand of this bicycle?
Cheerrrz
I just bought vintage road bicycle from some guy for restoration! The problem is that, the frame doesen't have any decals.
Only on BB there is a Nervex lug stamp, and also some frame number. The top tube size is 56cm;
This frame have Simplex dropouts, and huret allvit groupset, TA Cranks.I think its some vintage 60-70s frame from France;
So maybe someone can help me to find out the frame brand of this bicycle?
Cheerrrz
05-29-17 | 11:08 AM
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Welcome to the forums. Looks Peugeotish to me.
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05-29-17 | 11:43 AM
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Looks like the top tube has big decal on it; is that not a bike brand/model decal?
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05-29-17 | 12:26 PM
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I would suspect that is the model or the brand and model
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05-29-17 | 04:05 PM
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What is the seat post diameter? I presume the seat tube's outer diameter is 28.0mm (French).
Perhaps Peugeot, but the decals remind me of Gitane or Bertin. It could also be some other marque made by Motobecane, Peugeot, or Gitane.
I have never seen a Peugeot of that vintage with Huret derailleurs -- they all came with Simplex.
Perhaps Peugeot, but the decals remind me of Gitane or Bertin. It could also be some other marque made by Motobecane, Peugeot, or Gitane.
I have never seen a Peugeot of that vintage with Huret derailleurs -- they all came with Simplex.
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Capo: 1959 Modell Campagnolo, S/N 40324; 1960 Sieger (2), S/N 42624, 42597
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Peugeot: 1970 UO-8, S/N 0010468
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05-30-17 | 10:04 AM
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Definitely French, but I don't think it's a Peugeot.
I do think the sticker on the top tube might be a hint as to the bike's branding and not just a sticker someone slapped on. Col d'Aspin in a mountain pass in the Pyrenees that's been part of the Tour de France many, many times. Super Course is a model name or description that's been used by a number of makers.
I do think the sticker on the top tube might be a hint as to the bike's branding and not just a sticker someone slapped on. Col d'Aspin in a mountain pass in the Pyrenees that's been part of the Tour de France many, many times. Super Course is a model name or description that's been used by a number of makers.
05-30-17 | 10:50 AM
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What is the seat post diameter? I presume the seat tube's outer diameter is 28.0mm (French).
Perhaps Peugeot, but the decals remind me of Gitane or Bertin. It could also be some other marque made by Motobecane, Peugeot, or Gitane.
I have never seen a Peugeot of that vintage with Huret derailleurs -- they all came with Simplex.
Perhaps Peugeot, but the decals remind me of Gitane or Bertin. It could also be some other marque made by Motobecane, Peugeot, or Gitane.
I have never seen a Peugeot of that vintage with Huret derailleurs -- they all came with Simplex.
05-30-17 | 10:53 AM
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Where the heck is that rear derailleur cable going?
Can you take more pictures of the lugs, components, dropouts, etc?
Can you take more pictures of the lugs, components, dropouts, etc?
05-30-17 | 11:13 AM
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Definitely French, but I don't think it's a Peugeot.
I do think the sticker on the top tube might be a hint as to the bike's branding and not just a sticker someone slapped on. Col d'Aspin in a mountain pass in the Pyrenees that's been part of the Tour de France many, many times. Super Course is a model name or description that's been used by a number of makers.
I do think the sticker on the top tube might be a hint as to the bike's branding and not just a sticker someone slapped on. Col d'Aspin in a mountain pass in the Pyrenees that's been part of the Tour de France many, many times. Super Course is a model name or description that's been used by a number of makers.
.I also think that this is not a Peugeot. One guy in Holland from a local store told me maybe it's Gitane. I check out some pictures on the internet and saw that Peugeot frames have a different frame number locations.
05-30-17 | 11:21 AM
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I don't think Gitane, either. Could you take a close-up of the Rear Dropouts? The one with the blurry Huret Alvit seems to be an old Simplex DO (the thinner "stamped" style maybe) but hard to make out the details.
05-30-17 | 12:48 PM
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Thanks very much for the response and additional images!
Crown appears to be an EKLA Extra Light model -
https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...omponents3.jpg
This raises the possibility of a Belgian origin. (Some Belgian cycles are built to metric dimension, although most are built to BSC/ISO standard)
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Thanks very much for the response and additional images!
Crown appears to be an EKLA Extra Light model -
https://www.classiclightweights.co.uk...omponents3.jpg
This raises the possibility of a Belgian origin. (Some Belgian cycles are built to metric dimension, although most are built to BSC/ISO standard)
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05-30-17 | 01:11 PM
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One could check the steerer to see if it is 25.0mm or 25.4mm OD.
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Regarding frame ends -
Here is the Juy catalogue page showing this model. The fork ends which are companion to these dropouts are illustrated as being without writing:
https://velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_it...geViewsIndex=1
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One could check the steerer to see if it is 25.0mm or 25.4mm OD.
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Regarding frame ends -
Here is the Juy catalogue page showing this model. The fork ends which are companion to these dropouts are illustrated as being without writing:
https://velo-pages.com/main.php?g2_it...geViewsIndex=1
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05-30-17 | 04:50 PM
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I would say late 60's higher end French while vintage correct I don't think most of the parts are original so I wouldn't go by them to ID.
11-01-18 | 08:41 PM
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Most of the elements of the frame here seem consistent with those of the Dutch marque JOCO. The cylindrical cable stops, Nervex/Ekla mix, non-matching dropouts/tips, the vertical head tube rivet holes (would be interesting to know the distance between them) and the serial number format/location/orientation seem to match.
I don't know enough about the serial number system JOCO used but there seems to be at least one person on oudefiets.nl who claims to know.
With all that said, the seat tube outside diameter here (if correct/accurate) is a little confusing...
Here are some pics of a Ronde van Nederland (different dropout and fork crown):
Another, unknown model (different lugs, but matching fork, drops)
I don't know enough about the serial number system JOCO used but there seems to be at least one person on oudefiets.nl who claims to know.
With all that said, the seat tube outside diameter here (if correct/accurate) is a little confusing...
Here are some pics of a Ronde van Nederland (different dropout and fork crown):
Another, unknown model (different lugs, but matching fork, drops)