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shoota 10-22-18 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by pcb (Post 20627264)
This '01 Waterford RS11 is still a teenager---here in NJ it would just be getting its driver's license. I think I posted some earlier 2x brifter-equipped pix further back in this thread, but it has recently joined the ranks of my 1x-converted bikes, so time for some new pix. Front derailleurs are getting sparse on bikes around here, while my spare parts boxes are overflowing. Went with Rival 11spd, 39x11-36, with Dura-Ace BR-7700 calipers.

Dave Wages built this, not long after leaving Serotta for Waterford. I emailed him about it when I first got it, wanting to confirm that the "DW" initials stamped in the bb shell meant he built it, which he confirmed. When I mentioned I was happy it fit chubby-ish tires, he said: "Yeah, we really bumped those chainstays back then." Tire clearance is kind of a mixed bag, though. You could fit 42mm+ tires at the chainstays, but 32s barely fit under the rear brake bridge, and I don't think a 35 would fit under the fork crown. I had to take a file to the bottom of the rear 7700 caliper to convince it to clear the bottom of the bridge. I'm cramming Compass Stampede Pass/32mm tires in, and with that cushy rubber, the bike sings. Not wanting to mess with Dave's work prevents me from filing the bottom of the bridge, but if this puppy ever needs to go in to some work done, that bridge is gonna move up high enough to fit a 49-59mm caliper, with the shoes at the bottom of the slot.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1958/...1bdc0661_h.jpg

I really like what you did here.

ShowMe417 10-22-18 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by pcb (Post 20627221)
Looks very nice, especially for your first build---sweet!

Thanks PCB.

I love the way it turned out an have put many many miles on it. A century and several trips to Ragbrai as well as countless local rides.

I love your Waterford. That 1x set up is sweet. I recently built a DIY gravel/utility bike with a mid nineties Rockhopper frame and drops. I cobbled together a 1x for it using the original 42 tooth small ring from the 88 Allez and a 10 speed 105 group. It all works well together. I really like the 1x set up.

Classtime 10-22-18 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel (Post 20627360)
The black/white elements, with obligatory silver, make for an eternally classy and great looking bike, IMO. Lovely Medici! Glad you have a bike whose frame "shines through" any components. Those are always keepers in my book. And you can't go wrong with 9/10-speed Shimano!

Thanks. Today, I had to relearn the Italian BB lesson as I had to trim the FD again and then again on the way to work. A multi-tool is no match for a Shimano 9 speed BB.

Classtime 10-22-18 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20627530)
+1
I especially like the bars and the position of the STI's.

Right where they belong.

styggno1 10-22-18 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20627530)
+1
I especially like the bars and the position of the STI's.

Add me to the choir. Nice to see. I am writing this under the influence of some very nice rum - which makes me less afraid of conflict... I confess... Some very nice bikes here on BF and in the C&V are set up in a very strange way when it comes to bars and levers (and saddles).

OK - fire away.

HarborBandS 10-22-18 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by pcb (Post 20627264)
This '01 Waterford RS11 is still a teenager---here in NJ it would just be getting its driver's license. I think I posted some earlier 2x brifter-equipped pix further back in this thread, but it has recently joined the ranks of my 1x-converted bikes, so time for some new pix. Front derailleurs are getting sparse on bikes around here, while my spare parts boxes are overflowing. Went with Rival 11spd, 39x11-36, with Dura-Ace BR-7700 calipers.

Dave Wages built this, not long after leaving Serotta for Waterford. I emailed him about it when I first got it, wanting to confirm that the "DW" initials stamped in the bb shell meant he built it, which he confirmed. When I mentioned I was happy it fit chubby-ish tires, he said: "Yeah, we really bumped those chainstays back then." Tire clearance is kind of a mixed bag, though. You could fit 42mm+ tires at the chainstays, but 32s barely fit under the rear brake bridge, and I don't think a 35 would fit under the fork crown. I had to take a file to the bottom of the rear 7700 caliper to convince it to clear the bottom of the bridge. I'm cramming Compass Stampede Pass/32mm tires in, and with that cushy rubber, the bike sings. Not wanting to mess with Dave's work prevents me from filing the bottom of the bridge, but if this puppy ever needs to go in to some work done, that bridge is gonna move up high enough to fit a 49-59mm caliper, with the shoes at the bottom of the slot.



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1903/...7464d921_h.jpg

Gorgeous Waterford! I grew up partially in southern Wisconsin, so I have a soft spot for Waterfords and vintage Treks.

I'm thinking of doing a "gravel bike" or CX type of a build with 1 x 11. Mainly for the Illinois Prairie Path, which has few hills (it was a "rails to trails" conversion). I think it would be plenty of gear choices for the bulk of those rides.

pcb 10-28-18 07:04 PM

One more 1x, this time an '05 Waterford RS-22, with Richard Sachs Newvex lugs. SRAM Force/Force 10spd. Previously Shimano Ultregra 2x10 STI.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1920/...e8fb6480_h.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1977/...e22fc5ca_h.jpg

HmongAmish 10-28-18 07:32 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b66d355b48.jpg

Bike was listed with this photo. Bike had been sitting for 20+ years
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1114211c0c.jpg

Stripped it clean to refurbish and clean all parts
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...743ad6f006.jpg

Tubular Tires
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4425d0410f.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f705d77a34.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ad14538d63.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6db4291061.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0393f5befe.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...44baff1e5a.jpg

Campy aero seat post

Oldguyonoldbike 10-28-18 08:13 PM

That Pogliaghi certainly cleaned up well!

HarborBandS 10-29-18 07:59 AM

Here is my 1987 Schwinn Super Sport. Started with just a frame and fork, and the fork got ruined by a local bike shop (long story). So the only vintage parts are the frame, head badge, and some bolts. Otherwise it’s a new bike.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...caa90000b.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b468a189.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f8a74a11f.jpeg

shoota 10-29-18 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by HarborBandS (Post 20638410)
Here is my 1987 Schwinn Super Sport. Started with just a frame and fork, and the fork got ruined by a local bike shop (long story). So the only vintage parts are the frame, head badge, and some bolts. Otherwise it’s a new bike.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...caa90000b.jpeg


That looks awesome! I like the silver, bold choice. How wide are those tires? They look fairly plump.

HarborBandS 10-29-18 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 20639036)
That looks awesome! I like the silver, bold choice. How wide are those tires? They look fairly plump.

Thanks!

The tires are 25’s on rims with 18 mm inner dimensions , but Michelin’s run wide. There is room... I may try 28’s after this set wears out.

RobbieTunes 10-29-18 04:25 PM

I continue to be heartened by this thread.

If there was a Ride Non-Fiction show in, say, October, just south of Indianapolis, would you go?
Friday-show and packet pickup.
Saturday AM, 53 miles, stow the bikes at the show--travel to Indy to the Major Taylor Velodrome.
Sunday AM, 53 miles, then pack up and go home.

Free camping outdoors and in, with showers.
Free lunch Sat and Sun (on the ride).

RiddleOfSteel 10-29-18 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by HarborBandS (Post 20638410)
Here is my 1987 Schwinn Super Sport. Started with just a frame and fork, and the fork got ruined by a local bike shop (long story). So the only vintage parts are the frame, head badge, and some bolts. Otherwise it’s a new bike.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...caa90000b.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3b468a189.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f8a74a11f.jpeg

Whoa. That is a HOT Schwinn!! :love:

Nu2Miele 10-29-18 05:04 PM

Hi all.

I agree, what a sweet Schwinn. I'd be happy and proud to own a bike like that.

beicster 10-29-18 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by HarborBandS (Post 20638410)
Here is my 1987 Schwinn Super Sport. Started with just a frame and fork, and the fork got ruined by a local bike shop (long story). So the only vintage parts are the frame, head badge, and some bolts. Otherwise it’s a new bike.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...caa90000b.jpeg



Man, that is a gorgeous red. I love the black accents with it, too. Wow.

HarborBandS 10-29-18 06:44 PM

Thanks! I will say the many photos and posts on this forum from rccardr, Scooper, RiddleOfSteel, RobbieTunes, and countless others basically got me back in to road cycling after a 25 year hiatus. And I’m having a great time with this.

himespau 10-29-18 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 20639391)
I continue to be heartened by this thread.

If there was a Ride Non-Fiction show in, say, October, just south of Indianapolis, would you go?
Friday-show and packet pickup.
Saturday AM, 53 miles, stow the bikes at the show--travel to Indy to the Major Taylor Velodrome.
Sunday AM, 53 miles, then pack up and go home.

Free camping outdoors and in, with showers.
Free lunch Sat and Sun (on the ride).

Interesting concept.

HarborBandS 10-29-18 10:06 PM

Gorgeous specimen! Looks like a faithful restoration and gentle update of a classic. I always love a chrome fork and stays, and that aero seatpost looks great with that classic saddle. Nice work!

noglider 10-30-18 07:58 AM

The August 4 episode of The Outspoken Cyclist has an interview of Dave Moulton who has made countless high quality steel frames. He observed that people are fitting old steel frames with modern components, and he says that you get the best of both worlds. Well, we know this, but it's nice to have it validated by an old and respected frame builder.

While I'm mentioning Dave Moulton, I should mention Dave Moulton's bike blog.

kcblair 10-30-18 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 20640184)
The August 4 episode of The Outspoken Cyclist has an interview of Dave Moulton who has made countless high quality steel frames. He observed that people are fitting old steel frames with modern components, and he says that you get the best of both worlds. Well, we know this, but it's nice to have it validated by an old and respected frame builder.

While I'm mentioning Dave Moulton, I should mention Dave Moulton's bike blog.

Thanks for the info. That's exactly what I've been doing , too KB:love:

GregU 11-05-18 09:08 AM

[QUOTE=Lamplight;5622778]Thanks again! I considered getting another Brooks for it, but I really don't ride the bike much, to be honest. :o And the Rolls is very fitting (but very uncomfortable!)

Go with the San Marco Regal. Has some of the classic looks of the Brooks, but is more "period" and will blend in better with the newer parts. And I think it is a pretty comfortable seat. I have one on my Vitus on which I rode Eroica California.

Regal | Selle San Marco

HarborBandS 11-05-18 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by HarborBandS (Post 20638410)
Here is my 1987 Schwinn Super Sport. Started with just a frame and fork, and the fork got ruined by a local bike shop (long story). So the only vintage parts are the frame, head badge, and some bolts. Otherwise it’s a new bike.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...caa90000b.jpeg




BTW, I'm finding I hate these segmented drop bars so far (Deda Newton). My other road bikes have all had traditional round drop bars that I've found difficult to use at my age, and I thought I would try these slightly more shallow "anatomic bars". No good. The bottoms of the drops are too short, and the "kinks" in the curves always seem to be in the wrong place for my hands. I may play with the angle again to see if I can find something more comfortable, but I'm not liking it so far. I think I'll swap them out for some more shallow rounded bars. Maybe something like a Fizik Cyrano Bull or the 3T Ergosum Pro.

squirtdad 11-05-18 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by HarborBandS (Post 20648951)
BTW, I'm finding I hate these segmented drop bars so far (Deda Newton). My other road bikes have all had traditional round drop bars that I've found difficult to use at my age, and I thought I would try these slightly more shallow "anatomic bars". No good. The bottoms of the drops are too short, and the "kinks" in the curves always seem to be in the wrong place for my hands. I may play with the angle again to see if I can find something more comfortable, but I'm not liking it so far. I think I'll swap them out for some more shallow rounded bars. Maybe something like a Fizik Cyrano Bull or the 3T Ergosum Pro.

fwiw I like the Nitto Noodle in 44

joejack951 11-05-18 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by HarborBandS (Post 20648951)
BTW, I'm finding I hate these segmented drop bars so far (Deda Newton). My other road bikes have all had traditional round drop bars that I've found difficult to use at my age, and I thought I would try these slightly more shallow "anatomic bars". No good. The bottoms of the drops are too short, and the "kinks" in the curves always seem to be in the wrong place for my hands. I may play with the angle again to see if I can find something more comfortable, but I'm not liking it so far. I think I'll swap them out for some more shallow rounded bars. Maybe something like a Fizik Cyrano Bull or the 3T Ergosum Pro.

Give the Ritchey Neo Classic bars a good look, too.


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