Its gonna happen soon I can feel it.

The Paramount fund is funded, and there's 4 auctions in my size on eBay ending this week.

...lest I make a mistake, I like this one quite a bit and think I might be able to get it for a good price

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

But I'm starting to question its authenticity. The Seller says its a '70 Paramount, and that it was repainted and has no headbadge or decals. I was under the impression that Schwinn was using Nervex lugs in 1970 on their Paramounts. These lugs look decidedly un-nervex.

What do you folks think? is this a Paramount or a fake?

Specialized hubs **********?

I realize its a mish-mash of components, and i see the dent on the top tube too.

I think its a Paramount built with Prugnat lugs, which is plausible.

Don't do it! Wait! you'll find a nicer Paramount than that! I've been waiting many a years for my Paramount, when it comes I know it'll be "the one!." Oh, and I think the fork is bent.

I think the fork is in all likelihood fine. I wish I had $10 for every "the fork is bent" post here, I'd have a Paramount myself.

i'm pretty sure its not bent either although I did consider it at first.

funny, it had no bids and within 10 minutes of posting it here its got 2 bids.

I kind of do like the idea of finding something that is in need of some love (like this one).

It's not a Paramount. It looks like a Panasonic, or maybe a Schwinn world voyager with a mix of parts. It CERTAINLY isn't a paramount. Just look at the drop outs, and the fork crown.

Oh,and i think the forks ARE bent, like some idiot ran into a wall or something. Run away little Buck!!!

You don't know your Paramounts. It's a '70 (E70xx, I think E7001) with Prugnat 62bis lugs. Read up on the short-term change to Prugnat lugs (1967-1970) on the Waterford website.

That said - to add to one of the things the seller made note of: I'm nearly positive that it isn't all-chrome, even though I suspected it earlier due to the all-chrome chainstay. A second white Paramount that this same individual owns was repainted in the same fashion (bare, all-chrome chainstay), but the white one shows copious indications of having been to the framebuilder for modification.

I'm nearly positive that the chrome on the stays has been re-plated - it would explain the washed-out serial number on the E70xx and the curious bubbles around the dropout joints (I would have expected pinholes to be filed out at the factory).

Keep in mind that the fork has been drilled for the Campagnolo drop bolt as well.

-Kurt

P.S.: The right fork blade is fine. The LEFT one is bent.

The serial number looks like E71xxx to me, which is May 1971. The seller has a real aversion to taking a driveside picture of the F and R derailleurs, and to me that's not a good sign. There are no decals and no photo of a headbadge. The Prugnat lugs and fork crown are painted (1971 Paramount catalog says they are chromed). The fork looks like it may be bent. From what I can see, the headset doesn't appear to be Campagnolo. Then there's the top tube dent.

My August '71 Paramount has chromed Nervex headlugs and chromed fork crown.





For me, there are just too many issues to even consider bidding on it.

You wanted a drive-side pic?



-Kurt

Why do I have this feeling that you guys are prospective bidders? Don't worry, I'm sitting out this dance.

P.S.: Thought you might like to see this shot. Prugnat meet Nervex.



-Kurt

Looks like a P15 frame (top tube braze-ons for rear brake cable, fork and rear dropout eyelets) but with a double crank.

Thanks for the driveside picture, Kurt.

Here's the scoop, geniuses: I don't think the fork is bent. That Paramount is a 1967, which explains not only the Prugnat lugs, but also the 151bcd Campagnolo cranks and Campagnolo "Record" rear derailleur blatantly evident in Kurt's drive-side shot.
If I'm wrong about the fork (and I think the perception that it is bent is a trick of the photos and the way the fork is turned), then all bets are off. Otherwise, it's potentially a diamond in the rough.
Edit to say: That's probably a NR rear derailleur and not a Record, but if so I'm betting it's an early one (or a replacement).

Craven, you might want to take a look at this thread to read more about the history of the Paramounts from this seller

You did make a mistake because you posted it here. If you actually want to win something never ever post the auction on C&V. It is my size, and I don't have a P15. But, the dent, bent fork (despite what everyone else says I believe it is bent), and rough shape say no thanks.

It's a '70. The crankset was pulled off one of the other Paramounts from this lot - either the black pre-'68 example that presently has a 50th Anniversary crankset on it, or the orange pre-'68 P-13 with the chrome lugs. Why do I say that? One of the other 151 bcd cranksets ended up on a 1980's Motobecane from the same lot. It's been changed.

The rear mech is a Nuovo Record.

-Kurt

+1, not to offend of course. Aside from those who post there are many lurkers who may also be interested so always keep that in mind.

Re-branded Suntour.

Good call. I agree it's an NR rear derailleur. Thought I had it nailed on the date with the crankset and the indistinct SN, though. Could be a P13 or a P15, AFAIK, if it's a '70.
Nice work, Kurt - props.

Thanks, Picchio. Incidentally, it's a P13. The P15's didn't come until 1971. The '70 P13's were essentially identical to P15's without the triple ring or Gran Turismo RD.

-Kurt

I would never buy a Paramount with a dent in the top tube. Make that ANY tube.

Patience......patience.

J

After reading this thread I checked out Craigslist and missed this by minutes. lol I highlighted and copied this and was going to go back and get the pic but it was deleted. Nice looking bike, dark blue with chrome fork.

Circa 1983 Schwinn Paramount 12 Speed Bicycle

56 cm frame
Reynolds 531 framset

Campagnolo derailleurs, seatpost, etc
Cinelli Handlebars
Weinmann Sidepull brakes
Unknown wheels, but tires and tubes should be replaced; this bike hasn't been ridden in at least 7 yrs

$175 cash