For the love of English 3 speeds...
01-06-16, 10:25 PM
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Slightly on a tangent, but this bike reminds me of what a good ol' three speed can be, for good reason.
I came across a Novara Transfer in the wild today. For those of you outside of the US, Novara is the house bike/bike accessory brand of REI, our big outdoor co-op chain, analogous to MEC in Canada. I really liked this bike as it was a fully loaded (as sold) commuter: Nexus 7 speed internally geared hub, Novatech dynamo hub with AXA/Basta head and tail lamps, chainguard, rear rack, fenders, and a chromoly frame and fork. All for about $700. But because it's too damn practical, of course REI discontinued it. Now they have nothing similar.
It's one of the few modern bikes that I've seen that are similar to a Raleigh Superbe in all its features, and adjusting for inflation, it's probably about as much as a Superbe cost back in the day. When they were discounting the remaining Transfers a couple years ago, I almost thought about grabbing one, but didn't have the available cash.
Novara Transfer Bike - 2013 - REI.com
I came across a Novara Transfer in the wild today. For those of you outside of the US, Novara is the house bike/bike accessory brand of REI, our big outdoor co-op chain, analogous to MEC in Canada. I really liked this bike as it was a fully loaded (as sold) commuter: Nexus 7 speed internally geared hub, Novatech dynamo hub with AXA/Basta head and tail lamps, chainguard, rear rack, fenders, and a chromoly frame and fork. All for about $700. But because it's too damn practical, of course REI discontinued it. Now they have nothing similar.
It's one of the few modern bikes that I've seen that are similar to a Raleigh Superbe in all its features, and adjusting for inflation, it's probably about as much as a Superbe cost back in the day. When they were discounting the remaining Transfers a couple years ago, I almost thought about grabbing one, but didn't have the available cash.
Novara Transfer Bike - 2013 - REI.com
01-06-16, 10:50 PM
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Anyways, wish Raleigh stocked the Sprite with the S5 hub for longer than they did. I think I might have seen one five-speed hub Sprite in the wild, the rest were 10 speeds with 27 inch wheels.
01-07-16, 01:54 AM
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Slightly on a tangent, but this bike reminds me of what a good ol' three speed can be, for good reason.
I came across a Novara Transfer in the wild today. For those of you outside of the US, Novara is the house bike/bike accessory brand of REI, our big outdoor co-op chain, analogous to MEC in Canada. I really liked this bike as it was a fully loaded (as sold) commuter: Nexus 7 speed internally geared hub, Novatech dynamo hub with AXA/Basta head and tail lamps, chainguard, rear rack, fenders, and a chromoly frame and fork. All for about $700. But because it's too damn practical, of course REI discontinued it. Now they have nothing similar.
It's one of the few modern bikes that I've seen that are similar to a Raleigh Superbe in all its features, and adjusting for inflation, it's probably about as much as a Superbe cost back in the day. When they were discounting the remaining Transfers a couple years ago, I almost thought about grabbing one, but didn't have the available cash.
Novara Transfer Bike - 2013 - REI.com
I came across a Novara Transfer in the wild today. For those of you outside of the US, Novara is the house bike/bike accessory brand of REI, our big outdoor co-op chain, analogous to MEC in Canada. I really liked this bike as it was a fully loaded (as sold) commuter: Nexus 7 speed internally geared hub, Novatech dynamo hub with AXA/Basta head and tail lamps, chainguard, rear rack, fenders, and a chromoly frame and fork. All for about $700. But because it's too damn practical, of course REI discontinued it. Now they have nothing similar.
It's one of the few modern bikes that I've seen that are similar to a Raleigh Superbe in all its features, and adjusting for inflation, it's probably about as much as a Superbe cost back in the day. When they were discounting the remaining Transfers a couple years ago, I almost thought about grabbing one, but didn't have the available cash.
Novara Transfer Bike - 2013 - REI.com
The Novara bikes have the right features, but the geometry is a little different than the Raleigh frames. I ended up riding the bike quite a bit because new LED llights, and V brakes usually work better than 50 year old drum brakes and incandescent lights, but I still like the feel of the Raleighs better and ride them more since I am no longer working in PA.
The other detail I like is the rack - it is wider than many other inexpensive racks, so it keeps panniers out of the spokes. I heard it was available for sale in the past (i.e. a replacement part). Since it is shown on the 2015 Gotham, I assume it is still available.
01-07-16, 02:37 AM
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01-07-16, 08:21 AM
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Oh, now you want the ride quality of an old Raleigh, too? Now that's asking too much out of a modern bike!
Anyways, wish Raleigh stocked the Sprite with the S5 hub for longer than they did. I think I might have seen one five-speed hub Sprite in the wild, the rest were 10 speeds with 27 inch wheels.
Anyways, wish Raleigh stocked the Sprite with the S5 hub for longer than they did. I think I might have seen one five-speed hub Sprite in the wild, the rest were 10 speeds with 27 inch wheels.
01-07-16, 08:40 AM
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What's the left-side shift lever do?
01-07-16, 08:55 AM
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You get two gears from the left side shifter and three from the right:
About the Sturmey-Archer S5, S5.2 and AT5 Wide-Ratio 5-Speed Bicycle Hubs
About the Sturmey-Archer S5, S5.2 and AT5 Wide-Ratio 5-Speed Bicycle Hubs
01-07-16, 09:06 AM
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You get two gears from the left side shifter and three from the right:
About the Sturmey-Archer S5, S5.2 and AT5 Wide-Ratio 5-Speed Bicycle Hubs
About the Sturmey-Archer S5, S5.2 and AT5 Wide-Ratio 5-Speed Bicycle Hubs
01-07-16, 09:12 AM
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01-07-16, 09:33 AM
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How the S5 works
The S5s are basically a 3-speed hub with two ranges.
The right lever or trigger selects underdrive, direct drive or overdrive, just as with the AW and other 3-speed models.
The left lever selects between narrow range 3-speed and wide range 3-speed. When the cable is loose, it's narrow range; when the left cable is tight, it's wide range.
Here's the shifting sequence:
Left: Tight; Right: Tight (1). This is the lowest gear, underdrive on the wide range setting.
Left: Loose; Right: Tight (1). This is the second lowest gear, underdrive on the narrow range setting.
Left: doesn't matter; Right: middle position (2). This is direct drive, so it doesn't matter whether wide or narrow range is selected with the left lever.
Left: Loose; Right: Loose (3). This is the second highest gear, overdrive on the narrow range setting.
Left: Tight; Right: Loose (3). This is the highest gear, overdrive on the wide range setting.
01-07-16, 02:58 PM
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I love the S5. It totally solves the complaint I have with the AW. Namely, the 33% increase of overdrive to normal. In medium range (bell crank cable slack) the percent changes are -21.1 normal and + 26.6. I think that's perfect for a Sports. If you engage the bell crank, you have a very usable granny gear at -33.3 from normal and a useless (to me) 50% overdrive. The trick to reliable shifting is to use a regular 3 speed trigger on the right and a handlebar friction shifter for the bell crank.
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01-07-16, 06:41 PM
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Well I was all set to order tires for my Sport when my buddy who runs the LBS here says " we carry that exact size tire. Specialized Roadsport 26 X 1 1/8. 590 "
Cool, I buy 2. Super deal cause I used to work there and get the big discount still.
Turning the bike upside down and replacing tires and changing cog over to a 20T tomorrow. Hope I don't need to replace the chain with the increased cog size. The original chain is brand new looking.
Gonna be a good day..
Cool, I buy 2. Super deal cause I used to work there and get the big discount still.
Turning the bike upside down and replacing tires and changing cog over to a 20T tomorrow. Hope I don't need to replace the chain with the increased cog size. The original chain is brand new looking.
Gonna be a good day..
01-07-16, 07:20 PM
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01-07-16, 07:52 PM
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Cool, didn't know that Specialized had an offering in the 590 size! And I think they mean "1 3/8".
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01-07-16, 11:25 PM
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01-07-16, 11:34 PM
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01-07-16, 11:37 PM
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I laced some '78 hubs (AW and dynohub) to some CR18 alloy rims using new Sapim stainless steel spokes for my 1978 Raleigh Superbe. I went three cross everywhere. The front high flange might have been better suited for 2 cross due to nipple angle but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I had originally laced the hubs to new CR18 rims but I reused the old galvanized spokes. I used two brass spoke washers under each spoke head as the flanges are narrower than alloy flanges.
I'm trying to lace up a Dyno-hub. Any advice on keeping the spokes in place on the small flange side?
01-08-16, 01:49 AM
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I laced up the large flange side first then added the spokes in opposite holes on the small flange side. I more or less screwed them in as far as they could go then loosened them up once the entire wheel was built and I started forming it.
01-08-16, 06:50 AM
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I recently built one of these. I did it by mounting the hub in an axle vice, small flange up and lacing the small side first. The weight of the rim pulling down on the spokes kept them in place.
01-08-16, 03:45 PM
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I have a Raleigh Sports front wheel that needs an axle. Does anyone have a 127 mm long axle (the kind with the fixed cone on the right side)?
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01-08-16, 04:48 PM
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If I did, I would gladly give it to you. I will be going to the LBS where I got the cog from tomorrow, I will check their junk hub bins. Crossed fingers!
Reason I go is because the Velox strips I had to rim strip the wheels with are TOO wide. No shoding the bike tonight with the Specialized tires. Added bonus, rain moved in so I have the bike upside down in the sun room. Wifey no likey !
Put the tires on sans tubes and they go over the rims with little resistance. Seems like a good fit so far.
The old rim strip was in good shape but barely hanging on around the valve hole. Almost seems to have been melted on in place. Not come across this style and colour before. Rim surface is quite clean and rust free. Front tire is in good shape with no cracking.
Tube says Raleigh, holds air and made in Belgium. Gonna hold on to these.
01-08-16, 04:58 PM
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If I did, I would gladly give it to you. I will be going to the LBS where I got the cog from tomorrow, I will check their junk hub bins. Crossed fingers!
Reason I go is because the Velox strips I had to rim strip the wheels with are TOO wide. No shoding the bike tonight with the Specialized tires. Added bonus, rain moved in so I have the bike upside down in the sun room. Wifey no likey !
Put the tires on sans tubes and they go over the rims with little resistance. Seems like a good fit so far.
The old rim strip was in good shape but barely hanging on around the valve hole. Almost seems to have been melted on in place. Not come across this style and colour before. Rim surface is quite clean and rust free. Front tire is in good shape with no cracking.
Tube says Raleigh, holds air and made in Belgium. Gonna hold on to these.
Reason I go is because the Velox strips I had to rim strip the wheels with are TOO wide. No shoding the bike tonight with the Specialized tires. Added bonus, rain moved in so I have the bike upside down in the sun room. Wifey no likey !
Put the tires on sans tubes and they go over the rims with little resistance. Seems like a good fit so far.
The old rim strip was in good shape but barely hanging on around the valve hole. Almost seems to have been melted on in place. Not come across this style and colour before. Rim surface is quite clean and rust free. Front tire is in good shape with no cracking.
Tube says Raleigh, holds air and made in Belgium. Gonna hold on to these.
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01-08-16, 07:32 PM
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Both wheels will get new tires and tubs and rim strips. If I ever get crazy enough to go all original at least I will have wheel consumables taken care of. Right now I want to make back home uninterrupted!
Just took the back wheel off now, tight nuts! Never been off since it left the factory. Tire in decent shape and too the rim strip but the tube had a Definately hole in it. Caused by a spoke poking through. Quite a few of the spokes will need to be filed down to make myself feel safe on a long trip with this wheel.
I must say, another thing that leads me to believe this Raleigh never got any road miles is how clean the underside of both fenders are. A simple wipe and the paint shines! I will put a coat of wax on the underside as well before I reinstall the wheels.
While the back is out I switched the old 18T cog for the 20. Easy peasy. Should be fine for the coast. I also plan on greasing the bearings on the left side rear hub and regressing the front hub as well. I do intend to continue adding oil to the front just as well.
Hope the weather brightens tomorrow so pics can be taken. I may be working in the sun room but it's dark.
Just took the back wheel off now, tight nuts! Never been off since it left the factory. Tire in decent shape and too the rim strip but the tube had a Definately hole in it. Caused by a spoke poking through. Quite a few of the spokes will need to be filed down to make myself feel safe on a long trip with this wheel.
I must say, another thing that leads me to believe this Raleigh never got any road miles is how clean the underside of both fenders are. A simple wipe and the paint shines! I will put a coat of wax on the underside as well before I reinstall the wheels.
While the back is out I switched the old 18T cog for the 20. Easy peasy. Should be fine for the coast. I also plan on greasing the bearings on the left side rear hub and regressing the front hub as well. I do intend to continue adding oil to the front just as well.
Hope the weather brightens tomorrow so pics can be taken. I may be working in the sun room but it's dark.
01-09-16, 12:21 PM
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A few from the Portland Craigslist:
This one has been on and off for several months now. It's a Raleigh Superbe in good shape, but the asking price is $600, which means this thing is going to be on and off CL for a good long time:
Vintage Raleigh Superb Excellent Condition
And apparently from the same seller, a Sports all modernized with alloy 700C wheels, Dynohub, and all that. Looks nicely done, but at $800 I feel I'm going to also be seeing this one for awhile:
Raleigh Sports Custom 3 Speed
This one has been on and off for several months now. It's a Raleigh Superbe in good shape, but the asking price is $600, which means this thing is going to be on and off CL for a good long time:
Vintage Raleigh Superb Excellent Condition
And apparently from the same seller, a Sports all modernized with alloy 700C wheels, Dynohub, and all that. Looks nicely done, but at $800 I feel I'm going to also be seeing this one for awhile:
Raleigh Sports Custom 3 Speed
