I agree with you and with what shnibop said, and not just because I am the one affected. I am going to file a claim. A shame, indeed, it looks so darn good from above.

You'll likely get a refund.

Please take no offense, but I looked at the pics in the eBay link. There was a pretty clear pic of the rusted bb shell.

I hope it won't be too expensive of a lesson.

Oh, my. That's bad.

I guess taking a picture of the affected area and putting it in an ad isn't enough. Please let me know your eBay ID so I can block you from my auctions. I would not want to sell to you, or others in this thread that suggest asking for a refund for damage that was disclosed.

My memory is horrible: I do see now that I had placed a bid at the starting amount, and then bid up in the last few seconds. I was watching a lot of frames closely at the same time, and I did not mean to falsely represent my involvement in the auction earlier in the thread, I had simply forgotten.

This remark is rude, and unnecessary. I do not understand why my purchase, and my asking for feedback on it, has affected you so deeply.

Buyer wins on eBay.

That's just the way it is, whether you like it or not.

Precisely why I don't list my stuff on there, so no worries about me.

...and I'd lighten up on whatwolf. It will be hardly be the first time a buyer received an item and upon inspection, was not satisfied.

It's just business.

What did you expect the seller to do?

He took pictures, showed the damage and you bought it. What else did you expect? You bid on it twice, at least. That would be the end of the story in a just world. Maybe you feel entitled, I don't know.

This place needs a dose of reality. We've all had buyers remorse. Live with it instead of whining.

I agree with you to some extent, but no need to be such an a$$ to a complete stranger.

The picture did show the BB shell and you can see some rust there, but it should have been disclosed better or better pictures should have been included. That rust is actual structural damage that was not disclosed.

You really think that picture and his description told the whole story? You really think the seller was behaving honestly? I tell you what, give me your ebay name and I'll give you mine. If you think that was honest selling, I certainly would never want to buy something from you.

Let me guess, you are all under 30 YO?

So, let's try this to get this back on track and positive.

Buyers- For gosh sakes, ask about rust issues. Insist on a detailed pic if you see a hint of the stuff before you purchase.

Sellers- If there is a structural issue, such as a dent or ding, include a note and a pic. If there is any rust, especially rust like this, take the time to get a really good pic and description for the buyer.

Example:

Whatwolf- If you had seen a really good pic of the rusted bb shell before you purchased this frameset, would your same decision to purchase occur? Would you have at the very least asked deeper questions from the seller?

Not me but I hardly see what that has to do with anything.

You feel like the damage was fairly disclosed? The picture that shows the BB hardly shows the extent of the damage. I'm pretty sure that frame would not have sold for what it did had the seller included the picture whatwolf took.

whatwolf's pic:



ebay seller with zero feedback pic:




in hindsight, you can see the hole now, but it's hardly obvious. that's a full size pic from the auction.

hows about you furnish your ebay handle so we can avoid your auctions,,,there's nothing like paying good money for damaged goods...ie bent fork dented tubes rusted out frame parts ,etc.,these kind of things may not be apparent in a photo,it takes a verbal disclosure to explain a major flaw which the majority of honest ebay sellers do

and I am well over 30...that was another asinine statement...you are really hitting some hrs for being on the list less than 2 mos. ..I expect you will have some more to say about your territorial pissings..that is your reality..I have been on this forum for years and have rarely seen such rude attacks on fellow members..you stated your opinion more than once and you had to get personal to boot ...

No, I'm not, and I now understand your MO. You feel that a seller should do only the absolute bare minimum to disclose damage to something they're selling, and if a buyer doesn't pick up on that, it's on them. Fine. Where is that ebay member name? I'd really like to know who to avoid.

^ Agreed, after looking at the auction, and whatwolf's photos, I can't see how such structural damage was honestly disclosed, even if there was a photo of the BB. It should be money back, IMO, as the bottom line is that it really should not be sold as a rideable frame at all.

I'd like to thank everyone (well, mostly everyone!) for helping me see clearly through this evening of disappointment. I am going to go to bed, I will deal with the business end of this tomorrow.

I've sold a lot on ebay (and I mean a lot) and I wouldn't sell something like that without clear pictures of the damage. Email the seller then file a claim, you'll win but have to eat the return shipping. It will just take a week or two for it to happen though.

I've missed damage or had shipping damage occur before (maybe one out of 100-150 things), it's part of selling stuff and I always just take the item back no questions asked. Works out better for me in the end even though it costs me a couple bucks in shipping losses (ebay and paypal fees are refunded).

just to add to what i previously said...

the frame may not be a total loss. as someone else mentioned, a BB can have fairly large chunks taken out (in the form of logos and vent holes of various styles), therefor it might still be structurally sound. i would contact the seller and tell him that you are having the thing checked out. if it turns out to be fine structurally and you can live with the cosmetic ugliness, then try to work out a partial refund. if he turns out to be a complete jerk, file a claim. you have a little bit of time before you can no longer put in a claim, no need to file before contacting the seller, he may be more than willing to work with you. the claim can also be for a partial refund vs full return. unlike some have stated, on a return, you get the shipping you paid initially and the cost of the return, you do not absorb any of that.

That has to be one of the stupidest cable routing set-ups I have ever seen. I wonder if there was supposed to be some internal piece that went awol?

If you want a project...AND...the seller makes good with a substantial refund, I would think you could beadblast the BB shell and machine out the rot and/or fill the area with brass.

This will require some repainting of course.

A BB shell is a pretty beefy thing.

Bottom line though, you didn't get what you paid for, so you need to decide your own level of comfort with the project.

Let ME guess - you're the 'dose of reality' this place needs and you think you'll accomplish that by slamming an entire generation as 'entitled' because you think things (and people) were so much better in your day...

Seller should have mentioned how badly trashed the bb was. Both buyers and sellers have an obligation to conduct business fairly. Taking a picture of it and not mentioning the structural damage was intentionally deceitful IMO.

Update: I had a quick back and forth with the seller, and the furthest I got is that I could send him the frame back at my expense and that he would then give some of my money back (what?!) -- so I opened a claim and it is now for the ebay gods to decide.

Sounds like the right course of action. Good luck.

I must agree. I haven't sold much online (very little actually), but my MO has been under promise/over deliver. Having a bummed-out buyer just sounds totally depressing.
I hope it works out for you, OP. That listing strikes me as a wee bit shady.