New fence for GWB sidewalk
#1
Thread Starter
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 23
From: Thornton, CO
Bikes: 2003 Orbea Orca, 2003 Bianchi Imola, ? Waterford
New fence for GWB sidewalk
I first heard it from a fellow commuter, Carmen. Just looked it up and sure enough, it seems to be happening:
After 86 years and countless deaths, suicide fence coming to GWB | NJ.com
I didn't know about the 45 cases that were prevented earlier this year.
Edit: Here's another link with a video: Suicide Prevention Fence Coming To George Washington Bridge Walkway « CBS New York
After 86 years and countless deaths, suicide fence coming to GWB | NJ.com
I didn't know about the 45 cases that were prevented earlier this year.

Edit: Here's another link with a video: Suicide Prevention Fence Coming To George Washington Bridge Walkway « CBS New York
Last edited by ptempel; 09-21-17 at 01:38 PM.
#2
Thread Starter
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 23
From: Thornton, CO
Bikes: 2003 Orbea Orca, 2003 Bianchi Imola, ? Waterford
Today was the first day that we used the north sidewalk. I heard that it will be about three months befroe they will open the south side up. Not a big deal. Just four stairs for the north sidewalk.
#3
Disco Infiltrator




Joined: May 2013
Posts: 15,345
Likes: 3,542
From: Folsom CA
Bikes: Stormchaser, Paramount, Tilt, Samba tandem
This is also amazing to this engineer:
I had no idea that was even possible. It's like the ship of Theseus
A permanent fence will be installed on the north side of the bridge when its suspender cable ropes are replaced in 2018
__________________
Genesis 49:16-17
"Well, well!" said Holmes, impatiently. "A good cyclist does not need a high road. The moor is intersected with paths and the moon is at the full."
Genesis 49:16-17
"Well, well!" said Holmes, impatiently. "A good cyclist does not need a high road. The moor is intersected with paths and the moon is at the full."
#4
Senior Member


Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 39,897
Likes: 3,865
From: New Rochelle, NY
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
I hate to come off like the cold hearted Bastrd that I am, but this is sort of ridiculous.
Of course if/when a fence is installed and folks can't jump off the bridge, the proponents will point to all the lives saved.
But do we really believe that the suicidal are so dumb as to be stymied? Will they walk out onto the bridge, see the fence and say to themselves "Oh damn, It's not going to be this easy, I guess I'll go on living"
Let's get real, someone may be suicidal, but that doesn't make them so dumb that they can't or won't find another high place, or another method entirely.
All this does is move the problem. For all we know, if denied the opportunity to jump into the river, someone may opt to jump off a building, and might hit some poor fool walking on the sidewalk below.
On a side note, this shutdown could be scheduled much better, by pushing it back into November when use of the walk drops naturally.
Of course if/when a fence is installed and folks can't jump off the bridge, the proponents will point to all the lives saved.
But do we really believe that the suicidal are so dumb as to be stymied? Will they walk out onto the bridge, see the fence and say to themselves "Oh damn, It's not going to be this easy, I guess I'll go on living"
Let's get real, someone may be suicidal, but that doesn't make them so dumb that they can't or won't find another high place, or another method entirely.
All this does is move the problem. For all we know, if denied the opportunity to jump into the river, someone may opt to jump off a building, and might hit some poor fool walking on the sidewalk below.
On a side note, this shutdown could be scheduled much better, by pushing it back into November when use of the walk drops naturally.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#5
Banned
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 8,543
Likes: 42
From: England / CPH
Bikes: 2010 Cube Acid / 2013 Mango FGSS
I hate to come off like the cold hearted Bastrd that I am, but this is sort of ridiculous.
Of course if/when a fence is installed and folks can't jump off the bridge, the proponents will point to all the lives saved.
But do we really believe that the suicidal are so dumb as to be stymied? Will they walk out onto the bridge, see the fence and say to themselves "Oh damn, It's not going to be this easy, I guess I'll go on living"
Let's get real, someone may be suicidal, but that doesn't make them so dumb that they can't or won't find another high place, or another method entirely.
All this does is move the problem. For all we know, if denied the opportunity to jump into the river, someone may opt to jump off a building, and might hit some poor fool walking on the sidewalk below.
On a side note, this shutdown could be scheduled much better, by pushing it back into November when use of the walk drops naturally.
Of course if/when a fence is installed and folks can't jump off the bridge, the proponents will point to all the lives saved.
But do we really believe that the suicidal are so dumb as to be stymied? Will they walk out onto the bridge, see the fence and say to themselves "Oh damn, It's not going to be this easy, I guess I'll go on living"
Let's get real, someone may be suicidal, but that doesn't make them so dumb that they can't or won't find another high place, or another method entirely.
All this does is move the problem. For all we know, if denied the opportunity to jump into the river, someone may opt to jump off a building, and might hit some poor fool walking on the sidewalk below.
On a side note, this shutdown could be scheduled much better, by pushing it back into November when use of the walk drops naturally.
#6
Senior Member


Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 39,897
Likes: 3,865
From: New Rochelle, NY
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
I think my revised version is more to the point.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#7
Disco Infiltrator




Joined: May 2013
Posts: 15,345
Likes: 3,542
From: Folsom CA
Bikes: Stormchaser, Paramount, Tilt, Samba tandem
But you understand why people pick bridges rather than step in front of a bus, right? It's because they don't want to make a scene. They want something certain but not messy. When they think it through any other way it's got problems. Their loved ones find their remains and have to clean it up, or they land on the sidewalk in front of a 3yo, or the pills don't work and leave them brain damaged, or so on. And they're full of doubt, and thoughts like that discourage it. All it takes is a moment of second thoughts to save their life. And maybe one less bridge to jump from
__________________
Genesis 49:16-17
"Well, well!" said Holmes, impatiently. "A good cyclist does not need a high road. The moor is intersected with paths and the moon is at the full."
Genesis 49:16-17
"Well, well!" said Holmes, impatiently. "A good cyclist does not need a high road. The moor is intersected with paths and the moon is at the full."
#8
Suicide-prevention fences were installed last year on a high bridge in my city. Apparently, the fences have successfully reduced the number of suicide attempts on the bridge: Suicide attempts on High Level Bridge down since barriers installed, city says - Edmonton - CBC News, but, the implementation ticked off cyclists and pedestrians alike: Suicide barriers may restrict High Level Bridge paths to one-way traffic - Edmonton - CBC News.
#9
Thread Starter
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 23
From: Thornton, CO
Bikes: 2003 Orbea Orca, 2003 Bianchi Imola, ? Waterford
I hate to come off like the cold hearted Bastrd that I am, but this is sort of ridiculous.
Of course if/when a fence is installed and folks can't jump off the bridge, the proponents will point to all the lives saved.
But do we really believe that the suicidal are so dumb as to be stymied? Will they walk out onto the bridge, see the fence and say to themselves "Oh damn, It's not going to be this easy, I guess I'll go on living"
Let's get real, someone may be suicidal, but that doesn't make them so dumb that they can't or won't find another high place, or another method entirely.
All this does is move the problem. For all we know, if denied the opportunity to jump into the river, someone may opt to jump off a building, and might hit some poor fool walking on the sidewalk below.
On a side note, this shutdown could be scheduled much better, by pushing it back into November when use of the walk drops naturally.
Of course if/when a fence is installed and folks can't jump off the bridge, the proponents will point to all the lives saved.
But do we really believe that the suicidal are so dumb as to be stymied? Will they walk out onto the bridge, see the fence and say to themselves "Oh damn, It's not going to be this easy, I guess I'll go on living"
Let's get real, someone may be suicidal, but that doesn't make them so dumb that they can't or won't find another high place, or another method entirely.
All this does is move the problem. For all we know, if denied the opportunity to jump into the river, someone may opt to jump off a building, and might hit some poor fool walking on the sidewalk below.
On a side note, this shutdown could be scheduled much better, by pushing it back into November when use of the walk drops naturally.
#10
Thread Starter
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 23
From: Thornton, CO
Bikes: 2003 Orbea Orca, 2003 Bianchi Imola, ? Waterford
Suicide-prevention fences were installed last year on a high bridge in my city. Apparently, the fences have successfully reduced the number of suicide attempts on the bridge: Suicide attempts on High Level Bridge down since barriers installed, city says - Edmonton - CBC News, but, the implementation ticked off cyclists and pedestrians alike: Suicide barriers may restrict High Level Bridge paths to one-way traffic - Edmonton - CBC News.
So far the plan seems to be to leave the sidewalk as-is. I hope it doesn't radically change but we may never know. Well, not until after the bigger north sidewalk project is completed.
#11
Thread Starter
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 23
From: Thornton, CO
Bikes: 2003 Orbea Orca, 2003 Bianchi Imola, ? Waterford
I think the NY/NJ Port Authority police are doing that for the most part. I see the signs and almost always see two PA cops walking the sidewalk or in or near the little booth. I have to wonder if they are tired of trying to deal with the suicide prevention part of their job? Or maybe the fence is a legal and/or knee jerk reaction to the problem?
#12
Thread Starter
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 23
From: Thornton, CO
Bikes: 2003 Orbea Orca, 2003 Bianchi Imola, ? Waterford
Still riding on the north sidewalk without any issues. Looks like they actually cleaned it up before opening it. However, I don't see any changes on the south side so far. I hope they stay with their three month schedule. But I'm not holding my breath...
#13
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 619
Likes: 9
From: The Big City
Bikes: Brompton M3L, Tern Verge P20, Citi Bike
It would cost more money, but they could build a barrier with bars, rather than chain link. It would be less ugly, and institutional, and you could still get a clear view if you stood close, and take a decent picture. It would even be harder to climb. Chain link makes you feel like you're in a pen.
#14
multimodal commuter
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 19,810
Likes: 597
From: NJ, NYC, LI
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
I hate to come off like the cold hearted Bastrd that I am, but this is sort of ridiculous.
Of course if/when a fence is installed and folks can't jump off the bridge, the proponents will point to all the lives saved.
But do we really believe that the suicidal are so dumb as to be stymied? Will they walk out onto the bridge, see the fence and say to themselves "Oh damn, It's not going to be this easy, I guess I'll go on living"
Let's get real, someone may be suicidal, but that doesn't make them so dumb that they can't or won't find another high place, or another method entirely.
All this does is move the problem. For all we know, if denied the opportunity to jump into the river, someone may opt to jump off a building, and might hit some poor fool walking on the sidewalk below.
On a side note, this shutdown could be scheduled much better, by pushing it back into November when use of the walk drops naturally.
Of course if/when a fence is installed and folks can't jump off the bridge, the proponents will point to all the lives saved.
But do we really believe that the suicidal are so dumb as to be stymied? Will they walk out onto the bridge, see the fence and say to themselves "Oh damn, It's not going to be this easy, I guess I'll go on living"
Let's get real, someone may be suicidal, but that doesn't make them so dumb that they can't or won't find another high place, or another method entirely.
All this does is move the problem. For all we know, if denied the opportunity to jump into the river, someone may opt to jump off a building, and might hit some poor fool walking on the sidewalk below.
On a side note, this shutdown could be scheduled much better, by pushing it back into November when use of the walk drops naturally.
But the standard cliche is that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
The point is that a lot of people commit suicide almost on a whim, and don't put a great deal of thought into it. The opportunity presents itself at the wrong moment and they go for it. Similarly: people who have a gun in the house are much more likely to commit suicide than those who do not. If they were really serious, they could figure it out; but in many cases they aren't that serious about it.
So I believe you are right some of the time, and wrong some of the time. The fence will probably not help the people in the former category, but it will presumably save some of those in the latter.
__________________
www.rhmsaddles.com.
www.rhmsaddles.com.
#15
Thread Starter
Senior Member

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,943
Likes: 23
From: Thornton, CO
Bikes: 2003 Orbea Orca, 2003 Bianchi Imola, ? Waterford
Forgot to mention that the south sidewalk is now open. It opened up a few weeks ago. Yeeay. The fence is not too bad. Yeah, not as visually nice as without it. But at least it didn't impede the sidewalk space at all. The humorous part is that there is still no fence on the Manhattan side leading up to the bridge. So they almost have it all covered...
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
CuttersRidge
Advocacy & Safety
6
04-29-16 01:37 PM






