best weapons for commuting ?
10-11-07 | 03:48 PM
#26
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For bears I think Glock 20/29 (10mm) will do a better job.
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10-11-07 | 03:49 PM
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Riding position looks awkward -- the gun would be in the way when you wanted to steer, brake, or shift. Also, the solid core tires are definitely a minus, but those could be replaced. My weight weenie side thinks this setup may be a tad on the heavy side...
10-11-07 | 03:59 PM
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sheesh! guns, guns, guns. seems every time someone mentions the word 'weapon' everybody leaps onto the firearm bandwagon for a quick spin around the parking lot.
guns are expensive, noisy, prone to failure (have your numchucks ever 'jammed' on you? no.) and most states have special laws with bigger penalties specifically for gun use. and for what advantage? well, guns are better than other weapons at two main things: inflicting fatal wounds and doing so at range.
so, let's look at those 'advantages' shall we? well, fatal wounds... that's a bit harsh, dontcha think? sure that cellphone-yappin, donut-eatin' cager wheeling his escalade around the bike lane like he's riding the tilt-a-whirl is a public menace. but blowing everything north of his hairline into gooey pile in the passenger seat is a bit of an, uh, overreaction.
as for range... well, come on. you're riding a bike. in a combat situation. if you're anything like an average handgun owner you probably can't hit cereal box at 15m on your first try with your feet planted firmly on the ground. what are you gonna do with that glock while you're rocketing around on your brakeless fixie? i'll tell ya what. you're going to spray lead all over the countryside and hit your intended target somewhere between zero and a still zero times.
so, guns are the wrong tool for this job.
i prefer two bucks of roofing nails driven through a 1 meter length of garden hose. makes a great spike belt for high-stress cager situations and doubles as a sassy fashion accessory when you don't need it.
guns are expensive, noisy, prone to failure (have your numchucks ever 'jammed' on you? no.) and most states have special laws with bigger penalties specifically for gun use. and for what advantage? well, guns are better than other weapons at two main things: inflicting fatal wounds and doing so at range.
so, let's look at those 'advantages' shall we? well, fatal wounds... that's a bit harsh, dontcha think? sure that cellphone-yappin, donut-eatin' cager wheeling his escalade around the bike lane like he's riding the tilt-a-whirl is a public menace. but blowing everything north of his hairline into gooey pile in the passenger seat is a bit of an, uh, overreaction.
as for range... well, come on. you're riding a bike. in a combat situation. if you're anything like an average handgun owner you probably can't hit cereal box at 15m on your first try with your feet planted firmly on the ground. what are you gonna do with that glock while you're rocketing around on your brakeless fixie? i'll tell ya what. you're going to spray lead all over the countryside and hit your intended target somewhere between zero and a still zero times.
so, guns are the wrong tool for this job.
i prefer two bucks of roofing nails driven through a 1 meter length of garden hose. makes a great spike belt for high-stress cager situations and doubles as a sassy fashion accessory when you don't need it.
10-11-07 | 04:11 PM
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What is that ?
This my kind of thread, I love when Cycling and violence come together :-)
On a serious note, In Los Angeles carrying a gun is against the law, unless you are a politician or Rosie. Best bet is a cell phone, maybe mace. Knives are no good unless you have been trained and then be prepared to be cut, along with probably thrown in jail.
If you feel that you are really in a bad situation, then go for it all and go FAST. Don't play kids games by beating some one up. You need to viciously stop the aggression (Krav Maga)
I myself, not being the violent type would just back down and let him win the battle, because as soon as he left I would be calling the Police.
As a Side Note:
Of all the things I would carry it would be either Mace (jet stream) or a Taser. Taser's are expensive but not against the law in most states, including Kalifornia. For me I would want to stay away and spray or taser.
wll
This my kind of thread, I love when Cycling and violence come together :-)
On a serious note, In Los Angeles carrying a gun is against the law, unless you are a politician or Rosie. Best bet is a cell phone, maybe mace. Knives are no good unless you have been trained and then be prepared to be cut, along with probably thrown in jail.
If you feel that you are really in a bad situation, then go for it all and go FAST. Don't play kids games by beating some one up. You need to viciously stop the aggression (Krav Maga)
I myself, not being the violent type would just back down and let him win the battle, because as soon as he left I would be calling the Police.
As a Side Note:
Of all the things I would carry it would be either Mace (jet stream) or a Taser. Taser's are expensive but not against the law in most states, including Kalifornia. For me I would want to stay away and spray or taser.
wll
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10-11-07 | 04:18 PM
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I got verbally assaulted totally unprovoked twice today and one was
very scary. Riviera Beach. Anyone from Florida doesnt even need anymore
of this story to know where its going. The second time was the more mundane,
mouthbreathing redneck with the totally unoriginal " S I D E W A L K ".
I carry a Streetwise 800,000 volt stun baton that is unsheathed and ready and
a squirt style shampoo bottle filled with the juice from Goya Jalapeno peppers.
I think it might be able to be reclassified as napalm in raw form.
I used to laff at "what do you carry threads" until I moved here.
very scary. Riviera Beach. Anyone from Florida doesnt even need anymore
of this story to know where its going. The second time was the more mundane,
mouthbreathing redneck with the totally unoriginal " S I D E W A L K ".
I carry a Streetwise 800,000 volt stun baton that is unsheathed and ready and
a squirt style shampoo bottle filled with the juice from Goya Jalapeno peppers.
I think it might be able to be reclassified as napalm in raw form.
I used to laff at "what do you carry threads" until I moved here.
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10-11-07 | 04:35 PM
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You're right, the 30 has a mag capacity of 10.
If you want the best thing for real bears I think we're looking at a .454 Cassul or even a 12 gauge with 00 or slugs. The Raging Bull series was a real arm breaker, too.
Realistically the Glock 36 (or the 30, if you will) hides well in your trousers and is more manageable on a bike.
In Colorado it isn't that difficult to get a concealed carry permit if you don't have any priors.
10-11-07 | 04:41 PM
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Gee.. was that you that I saw while riding home at night in Brooklyn (Park Slope area)? I noticed this guy with small flags attached to his bag, front and back of his bike. Then I saw a rope that ties to a huge Master lock on one end and his arm the other. It looks like he's ready to swing that lock at anything that get close to him.
10-11-07 | 04:44 PM
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Gee.. was that you that I saw while riding home at night in Brooklyn (Park Slope area)? I noticed this guy with small flags attached to his bag, front and back of his bike. Then I saw a rope that ties to a huge Master lock on one end and his arm the other. It looks like he's ready to swing that lock at anything that get close to him.
Oh yeah, forgot that I also sometimes carry my natal anniversary present with me slung across my back, a solid hickory fighting cane from www.canemasters.com.
Nothing like a cyclist with a cane to make folks notice.
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10-11-07 | 04:50 PM
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That is an ice climbing tool. Different from an ice-axe in that it has a bent shaft, deeper angled head, no adze, and a handle at the end. Used for vertical ice climbing.
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10-11-07 | 05:26 PM
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10-11-07 | 06:13 PM
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I do carry a Kimber Ultra Carry II in .45 caliber, fits very well is the perfect carry conceal weapon and is as accurate as I am =) never had to use it yet but it has gotten me out of some life threatening situations.
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You see, their morals, their code...it's a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these...These "civilized" people...they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve
10-11-07 | 11:49 PM
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sheesh! guns, guns, guns. seems every time someone mentions the word 'weapon' everybody leaps onto the firearm bandwagon for a quick spin around the parking lot.
guns are expensive, noisy, prone to failure (have your numchucks ever 'jammed' on you? no.) and most states have special laws with bigger penalties specifically for gun use. and for what advantage? well, guns are better than other weapons at two main things: inflicting fatal wounds and doing so at range.
so, let's look at those 'advantages' shall we? well, fatal wounds... that's a bit harsh, dontcha think? sure that cellphone-yappin, donut-eatin' cager wheeling his escalade around the bike lane like he's riding the tilt-a-whirl is a public menace. but blowing everything north of his hairline into gooey pile in the passenger seat is a bit of an, uh, overreaction.
as for range... well, come on. you're riding a bike. in a combat situation. if you're anything like an average handgun owner you probably can't hit a cereal box at 15m on your first try with your feet planted firmly on the ground. what are you gonna do with that glock while you're rocketing around on your brakeless fixie? i'll tell ya what. you're going to spray lead all over the countryside and hit your intended target somewhere between zero and a still zero times.
so, guns are the wrong tool for this job.
guns are expensive, noisy, prone to failure (have your numchucks ever 'jammed' on you? no.) and most states have special laws with bigger penalties specifically for gun use. and for what advantage? well, guns are better than other weapons at two main things: inflicting fatal wounds and doing so at range.
so, let's look at those 'advantages' shall we? well, fatal wounds... that's a bit harsh, dontcha think? sure that cellphone-yappin, donut-eatin' cager wheeling his escalade around the bike lane like he's riding the tilt-a-whirl is a public menace. but blowing everything north of his hairline into gooey pile in the passenger seat is a bit of an, uh, overreaction.
as for range... well, come on. you're riding a bike. in a combat situation. if you're anything like an average handgun owner you probably can't hit a cereal box at 15m on your first try with your feet planted firmly on the ground. what are you gonna do with that glock while you're rocketing around on your brakeless fixie? i'll tell ya what. you're going to spray lead all over the countryside and hit your intended target somewhere between zero and a still zero times.
so, guns are the wrong tool for this job.
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10-12-07 | 12:44 AM
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Just to clear things up, I don't advocate shooting anyone who pisses you off. Lethal force is always a last option and must be use only if your life is in direct danger and the use of it is justifiable. Some education on self defense application is a must read for anyone, IMO. Of course, the best defense is always to avoid confrontation. But, as with recent events, trouble comes to anyone, in most times, without invitation. I reserve the right to be prepared and I'm glad I live in an area of my beloved county that allows me to do so.
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10-12-07 | 01:06 AM
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sheesh! guns, guns, guns. seems every time someone mentions the word 'weapon' everybody leaps onto the firearm bandwagon for a quick spin around the parking lot.
1. guns are expensive, noisy, 2. prone to failure (have your numchucks ever 'jammed' on you? no.) and 3. most states have special laws with bigger penalties specifically for gun use. and for what advantage? well, guns are better than other weapons at two main things: inflicting fatal wounds and doing so at range.
1. How much is your life worth? 2.My Glock had never skipped a beat 3. you mean misuse, as in unlawful use.
so, let's look at those 'advantages' shall we? well, fatal wounds... that's a bit harsh, dontcha think? sure that cellphone-yappin, donut-eatin' cager wheeling his escalade around the bike lane like he's riding the tilt-a-whirl is a public menace. but blowing everything north of his hairline into gooey pile in the passenger seat is a bit of an, uh, overreaction.
as for range... well, come on. you're riding a bike. in a combat situation. if you're anything like an average handgun owner you probably can't hit cereal box at 15m on your first try with your feet planted firmly on the ground. 1. what are you gonna do with that glock while you're rocketing around on your brakeless fixie? i'll tell ya what. you're going to spray lead all over the countryside and hit your intended target somewhere between zero and a still zero times.
1. Why would you be spraying bullets everywhere while you're ridding your bike?
so, guns are the wrong tool for this job.
For what job?
i prefer two bucks of roofing nails driven through a 1 meter length of garden hose. makes a great spike belt for high-stress cager situations and doubles as a sassy fashion accessory when you don't need it.
1. guns are expensive, noisy, 2. prone to failure (have your numchucks ever 'jammed' on you? no.) and 3. most states have special laws with bigger penalties specifically for gun use. and for what advantage? well, guns are better than other weapons at two main things: inflicting fatal wounds and doing so at range.
1. How much is your life worth? 2.My Glock had never skipped a beat 3. you mean misuse, as in unlawful use.
so, let's look at those 'advantages' shall we? well, fatal wounds... that's a bit harsh, dontcha think? sure that cellphone-yappin, donut-eatin' cager wheeling his escalade around the bike lane like he's riding the tilt-a-whirl is a public menace. but blowing everything north of his hairline into gooey pile in the passenger seat is a bit of an, uh, overreaction.
as for range... well, come on. you're riding a bike. in a combat situation. if you're anything like an average handgun owner you probably can't hit cereal box at 15m on your first try with your feet planted firmly on the ground. 1. what are you gonna do with that glock while you're rocketing around on your brakeless fixie? i'll tell ya what. you're going to spray lead all over the countryside and hit your intended target somewhere between zero and a still zero times.
1. Why would you be spraying bullets everywhere while you're ridding your bike?
so, guns are the wrong tool for this job.
For what job?
i prefer two bucks of roofing nails driven through a 1 meter length of garden hose. makes a great spike belt for high-stress cager situations and doubles as a sassy fashion accessory when you don't need it.
10-12-07 | 01:07 AM
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Will it be a happy ending? Well, for me it is, since I know I wasn't dead and still has a chance to come home and see my love ones.
Just to clear things up, I don't advocate shooting anyone who pisses you off. Lethal force is always a last option and must be use only if your life is in direct danger and the use of it is justifiable. Of course, the best defense is always to avoid confrontation. But, as with recent events, trouble comes to anyone, in most times, without invitation. I reserve the right to be prepared and I'm glad I live in an area of my beloved county to do so.
Just to clear things up, I don't advocate shooting anyone who pisses you off. Lethal force is always a last option and must be use only if your life is in direct danger and the use of it is justifiable. Of course, the best defense is always to avoid confrontation. But, as with recent events, trouble comes to anyone, in most times, without invitation. I reserve the right to be prepared and I'm glad I live in an area of my beloved county to do so.
10-12-07 | 01:35 AM
#43
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I ride mine...
First I'll try to ride away as fast as I can
Second I'll try to use my Cell to call 911 (or at least make it look like I am)
Third and only if all else fails...BIKE FOO!! A 40 Lb Mtb used as a swinging weapon can really do some damage,just ask the gangbanger that tryed to spoke me and take my bike in Tucson...after a trip to the hospital to get a batch of stiches on his head and his jaw reset,he got another ride to the county jail!!!
First I'll try to ride away as fast as I can
Second I'll try to use my Cell to call 911 (or at least make it look like I am)
Third and only if all else fails...BIKE FOO!! A 40 Lb Mtb used as a swinging weapon can really do some damage,just ask the gangbanger that tryed to spoke me and take my bike in Tucson...after a trip to the hospital to get a batch of stiches on his head and his jaw reset,he got another ride to the county jail!!!
10-12-07 | 03:04 AM
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Since I'm not a weight weenie my weapon of choice is the Desert Eagle .50cal. Reason being that it's a real legal hassle shooting a ragin' cager so I shoot the cage instead. A couple of well placed slugs in the engine, maybe take out a couple of tires, and you've made a pedestrian out of that cager.... and if you do decide to put the SOB out of his/her misery it rarely takes more than one shot to take care of business, especially if you score a head shot.
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10-12-07 | 04:18 AM
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10-12-07 | 08:02 AM
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Chances of something bad happening with current attitude = 90%
Chances of gettting spanked after your weapon purchase = guaranteed.
Chances of gettting spanked after your weapon purchase = guaranteed.
10-12-07 | 08:03 AM
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Well, what are the odds that a regular cager who gets out of their car in a fiery rage will have an AC of 0 ? Most likely (if the cager is a regular human) their AC will be 10 (or maybe worse if they are old or handicapped in some way)..
Considering that they would most likely be in a rage, they would easily incur a dexterity penalty which would bring their AC way up to begin with AND boost my THAC0...
Just FYI, to those wondering what I bought at the 911 store... I went with a mace / pepper spray by the name of Whoop Ass.
It is very compact, about 3 inches tall, and has a belt-clip already built in. (+ a key-ring chain on the bottom). I have slipped it into a little hoop on my bookbag shoulder strap. It fits perfectly without touching my arm and is instantly accessible to me.
I felt quite snug on the way home (and I got a flat.. just my luck).
Thanks for all the great replies ! This thread rox !
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10-12-07 | 09:22 AM
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Best weapons:
1. Not living in the U.S.
2. As others have said, strong legs, knowledge of the area
3. aluminum bat with a bolt through the end - easy to swing, lightweight, looks scary, easy to mount
4. machete - people will automatically think you're nuts, may get wedged in the fender of a cage
5. bike polo mallet
1. Not living in the U.S.
2. As others have said, strong legs, knowledge of the area
3. aluminum bat with a bolt through the end - easy to swing, lightweight, looks scary, easy to mount
4. machete - people will automatically think you're nuts, may get wedged in the fender of a cage
5. bike polo mallet