New BSO long-term test!
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Also, I have put 4300mi/6900km on my Fantom Cross Uno, and I only paid $329 for it ($428 with the second set of wheels). That should put it in the running for low cost per mile/kilometer.
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Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
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get back to me with a number for that info and i'll put you in the posts as a control

edit: don't forget to include all taxes
#229
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I've had the darned thing for a year and a half and most accessories I use with it predate it, some "creative accounting" may be required.
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--Ben
2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
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however i would like to compensate for extra calories eaten and bus fare saved (£4.70/day for bus - £2 for a healthy 400kcals).
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also, what happened to your first set of wheels? did they really fall apart/become unusable? i'm curious what kind of life I'll get out these wheels.
#232
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The original rims had some bad reviews, so I ordered some 29er MTB wheels (Alex SUBs on high-flange hubs) to go with the bike. I never used the originals (Jalcos) and just built the bike with the Alex wheels. But I recently switched back to the originals after knocking one of the Alexes out of true and appreciate the weight loss and lower profile in the wind. I just need to learn to keep them true and not treat them like MTB wheels and they should be OK.
Truing is kind of the last frontier of bike maintenance for me. I am getting there now.
Truing is kind of the last frontier of bike maintenance for me. I am getting there now.
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--Ben
2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
Non-Bike hardware: MX Linux / BunsenLabs Linux / Raspbian / Mac OS 10.6 / Android 7
#233
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nice ride ... working at home on a Sunday so no riding ... brake pads have a little wear
stats:
332km/206mi
£395/$632 total
£1.18/km
€1.41/km
$3.06/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
6900km/4287mi
£267/$438
3.8p/km
5c/km
10.2¢/mi
stats:
332km/206mi
£395/$632 total
£1.18/km
€1.41/km
$3.06/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
6900km/4287mi
£267/$438
3.8p/km
5c/km
10.2¢/mi
Last edited by acidfast7; 11-10-13 at 07:36 AM.
#234
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Do really eat just for fueling purposes?
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Going to make some Lecsó for tonight and this week at work:
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really nice ride in the evening ... felt almost like summer but darker
stats:
350km/217mi
£395/$631 total
£1.12/km
€1.34/km
$2.90/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
6900km/4287mi
£267/$438
3.8p/km
5c/km
10.2¢/mi
photo:
stats:
350km/217mi
£395/$631 total
£1.12/km
€1.34/km
$2.90/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
6900km/4287mi
£267/$438
3.8p/km
5c/km
10.2¢/mi
photo:
#237
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i'm a little sluggish today
stats:
369km/230mi
£395/$628 total
£1.07/km
€1.26/km
$2.73/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
6900km/4287mi
£267/$438
3.8p/km
5c/km
10.2¢/mi
photo:
stats:
369km/230mi
£395/$628 total
£1.07/km
€1.26/km
$2.73/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
6900km/4287mi
£267/$438
3.8p/km
5c/km
10.2¢/mi
photo:
#238
Sorry, that's not a BSO...what you have there is the British version of a Mercier Kilo TT...an inexpensive steel single speed. I've been commuting on one for years & all I've had to change after 3500 miles is brake pads, tires & the chain after they wore out. Not much can go wrong with these bikes so I can't say yours is a fair test.
A BSO is a clunky heavy crap bike from a cheap department store built up by some stocker in the back room that probably knows nothing about bikes. Get yourself one of those and come back in a couple years with a report ;-) you're playing it safe, pal...I'm not impressed.

aucdoc by (cobrabyte), on Flickr
A BSO is a clunky heavy crap bike from a cheap department store built up by some stocker in the back room that probably knows nothing about bikes. Get yourself one of those and come back in a couple years with a report ;-) you're playing it safe, pal...I'm not impressed.

aucdoc by (cobrabyte), on Flickr
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^^^ At least the forks are installed correctly. Half the BSOs I see around here have the forks installed backwards for some reason. I thought it was some kind of fad at first, but now I realize it was simply put together by someone who knows nothing about bicycles.
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Sorry, that's not a BSO...what you have there is the British version of a Mercier Kilo TT...an inexpensive steel single speed. I've been commuting on one for years & all I've had to change after 3500 miles is brake pads, tires & the chain after they wore out. Not much can go wrong with these bikes so I can't say yours is a fair test.
A BSO is a clunky heavy crap bike from a cheap department store built up by some stocker in the back room that probably knows nothing about bikes. Get yourself one of those and come back in a couple years with a report ;-) you're playing it safe, pal...I'm not impressed.

aucdoc by (cobrabyte), on Flickr
A BSO is a clunky heavy crap bike from a cheap department store built up by some stocker in the back room that probably knows nothing about bikes. Get yourself one of those and come back in a couple years with a report ;-) you're playing it safe, pal...I'm not impressed.

aucdoc by (cobrabyte), on Flickr
#241
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As to whether the OP's bike is a BSO, I'd say that it's a matter of degrees. His original claim was that he was unable to find one much cheaper, so... his is close enough for the lighthearted purposes of discussion. Had he been able to find a Walmart Thruster equivalent in London, then everyone would be nodding in agreement on the BSO claim.
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good weather today
stats:
388km/241mi
£395/$633 total
£1.02/km
€1.22/km
$2.63/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
6900km/4287mi
£267/$438
3.8p/km
5c/km
10.2¢/mi
photo:

edit: sorry photo is backwards (forgot flip photo)
stats:
388km/241mi
£395/$633 total
£1.02/km
€1.22/km
$2.63/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
6900km/4287mi
£267/$438
3.8p/km
5c/km
10.2¢/mi
photo:
edit: sorry photo is backwards (forgot flip photo)
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mmmm, scandinavia.
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2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
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super nice. even the swede is impressed
mmmmm.
that's kinda the point ... no real word exists in English ... just a loan word from German that I've never heard anyone say ... Gemültlichkeit ... like "lagom" in swedish where no English exists
and it's hygge
mmmmm.
that's kinda the point ... no real word exists in English ... just a loan word from German that I've never heard anyone say ... Gemültlichkeit ... like "lagom" in swedish where no English exists

and it's hygge
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acidfast, where are you from, originally?
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Wells, Maine, USA then
Orono, ME,
College Station, TX,
Stockholm, Sweden,
Frankfurt, Germany,
and now the UK (70%) / CPH (30%).
always looking through the new positions out ... seems to be a few good positions right now in Freiburg, Germany ... close to here:

and my gf's parents in Baden-Württemberg
Orono, ME,
College Station, TX,
Stockholm, Sweden,
Frankfurt, Germany,
and now the UK (70%) / CPH (30%).
always looking through the new positions out ... seems to be a few good positions right now in Freiburg, Germany ... close to here:
and my gf's parents in Baden-Württemberg
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