New BSO long-term test!
#426
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Does a couple of weeks old count?
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Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
Non-Bike hardware: MX Linux / BunsenLabs Linux / Raspbian / Mac OS 10.6 / Android 7
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The high price for BSOs in England, reminded me of differences in car prices between Europe and the US. It's shocking to see the difference for some models. e.g Subaru Forester base model in the US: $22000 - Uk: £25,500 ($42000). Not sure if the base models are the same, but how different can they be. And I realize the UK price does include sales tax already.
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when I was for 6 months in England last year, I found the same thing. A lot of things where more expensive than US (Chicago) or Germany (well, maybe except Munich).
The high price for BSOs in England, reminded me of differences in car prices between Europe and the US. It's shocking to see the difference for some models. e.g Subaru Forester base model in the US: $22000 - Uk: £25,500 ($42000). Not sure if the base models are the same, but how different can they be. And I realize the UK price does include sales tax already.
The high price for BSOs in England, reminded me of differences in car prices between Europe and the US. It's shocking to see the difference for some models. e.g Subaru Forester base model in the US: $22000 - Uk: £25,500 ($42000). Not sure if the base models are the same, but how different can they be. And I realize the UK price does include sales tax already.
House prices are quite expensive here, at it's kind of cheap where I am!
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it has certainly done the job, rain, sleet, or snow.
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2006 Trek SU100, 2009 Motobecane Fantom CX, 2011 Motobecane Fantom Cross Uno, and a Bakfiets
Previously: 2000 Trek 4500 (2000-2003), 2003 Novara Randonee (2003-2006), 2003 Giant Rainier (2003-2008), 2005 Xootr Swift (2005-2007), 2007 Nashbar 1x9 (2007-2011), 2011 Windsor Shetland (2011-2014), 2008 Citizen Folder (2015)
Non-Bike hardware: MX Linux / BunsenLabs Linux / Raspbian / Mac OS 10.6 / Android 7
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stats:
912km/566mi
£421/$700 total
£0.46/km
€0.56/km
$1.24/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
8093km/5029mi
£267/$446
3.3p/km
4.0c/km
8.8¢/mi
and of Slaninar:
12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi
photos:
912km/566mi
£421/$700 total
£0.46/km
€0.56/km
$1.24/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
8093km/5029mi
£267/$446
3.3p/km
4.0c/km
8.8¢/mi
and of Slaninar:
12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi
photos:
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My back, neck, shoulders, and wrists hurt just looking at the height difference from the seat to hand position in the drops. But for some cyclists I suppose pain IS gain, even when commuting. To each their own, eh?
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Also, I think that angle is misleading as it's not that uncofortae to ride with.
I think this was intended to be a joke about the lock being on the seat
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On a more serious note, I don't understand how your total cost seems to fluctuate. I know it went up after you bought the fenders, but how can it vary? For example, in January, it varied from $648 to $651 and then down to $645. Are you adjusting for the exchange rate?
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Right you are.
On a more serious note, I don't understand how your total cost seems to fluctuate. I know it went up after you bought the fenders, but how can it vary? For example, in January, it varied from $648 to $651 and then down to $645. Are you adjusting for the exchange rate?
On a more serious note, I don't understand how your total cost seems to fluctuate. I know it went up after you bought the fenders, but how can it vary? For example, in January, it varied from $648 to $651 and then down to $645. Are you adjusting for the exchange rate?
I'm open to other ideas ... just seemed to be the easiest way to do it initially ...
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It seems to me that only the km/miles change after that, except for additional purchases. And aside from additional purchases, once you've logged a certain number of miles, the $/mi can't go up. Right?
Of course it's your show and you can post what you like. I just think it makes the figures inaccurate the way you are doing it.
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Above is the first post I see where you specified the actual cost and gave the equivalent USD. For the sake of argument, assuming that the exchange rate was the same that day as it was on the day of the actual purchase, then the cost to you was $617. I don't see how that changes. The day you bought the bike you paid what you paid.
It seems to me that only the km/miles change after that, except for additional purchases. And aside from additional purchases, once you've logged a certain number of miles, the $/mi can't go up. Right?
Of course it's your show and you can post what you like. I just think it makes the figures inaccurate the way you are doing it.
It seems to me that only the km/miles change after that, except for additional purchases. And aside from additional purchases, once you've logged a certain number of miles, the $/mi can't go up. Right?
Of course it's your show and you can post what you like. I just think it makes the figures inaccurate the way you are doing it.
That's cool, I never thought about that way. I was just being lazy and always doing a fresh conversion. I'll have to go back and lock the values in place on my date of purchase and just keep the values that way.
Also, thanks for responding ... my point is to do a long-term thread with input from others ... so, I'll rectify this deficiency when I update tonight and I'll lock the other values in at their first exchange rate that I had!
Sorry for any inconvenience!
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Your most recent posted photograph looks just like the "misleading" one as far as the height differential between seat and handlebars.
BTW, in the most recent photo the chain appears to be really slack; any particular reason?
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I agree no need for pain, no matter how long the commute. Don't you think a less severe riding posture would be more comfortable? What is the real gain for such a contortionist setup?
Your most recent posted photograph looks just like the "misleading" one as far as the height differential between seat and handlebars.
BTW, in the most recent photo the chain appears to be really slack; any particular reason?
Your most recent posted photograph looks just like the "misleading" one as far as the height differential between seat and handlebars.
BTW, in the most recent photo the chain appears to be really slack; any particular reason?
I think it's fun as I always ride the straightbar MTB or a city bike when I travel to Germany/Denmark (usually for 10 days/month) ... so this is some different type of fun to try out.
It is really slack which is due to my laziness. I don't think it's possible for the rear wheel to move because of the tugs on there ... so I assume what you are seeing is 940km of chain stretch ... I do tend to mash with one gear, plus England is super wet and the chain is not high quality.
This is unwrapped with a properly adjusted new chain ...
Seems like quite fast wear to me!
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Applying the 2014 Scroca Rules now, which make quite good sense I might add:
Cost of the bike from Mangobikes on 5 SEP 2013 (exchange rate on 5 SEP 2013: 1 GBP = 1.55 USD)
299 GBP = 466 USD
Cost of front/rear Knog lights and Kryptonite U-lock on 3 OCT 2013 (exchange rate on 3 OCT 2013: 1 GBP = 1.61 USD)
92.53 GBP = 148 USD
Cost of Sigma 1009 cycloputer on 9 SEP 2013 (exchange rate on 9 SEP 2013: 1 GBP = 1.57 USD)
25.93 GBP = 40.71 USD
Cost of Crud Roadracer MK II on 19 NOV 2013 (exchange rate on 19 NOV 2013: 1 GBP = 1.61 USD)
22.85 GBP GBP = 36.78 USD
Total at time of purchase:
466+148+40.71+36.78 = 691.49 USD
This is the current value as assessed by the 2014 Scroca Rules and will be employed in all future calculations.
edit: Values for other participants will be left as is unless they desired to change their values.
Cost of the bike from Mangobikes on 5 SEP 2013 (exchange rate on 5 SEP 2013: 1 GBP = 1.55 USD)
299 GBP = 466 USD
Cost of front/rear Knog lights and Kryptonite U-lock on 3 OCT 2013 (exchange rate on 3 OCT 2013: 1 GBP = 1.61 USD)
92.53 GBP = 148 USD
Cost of Sigma 1009 cycloputer on 9 SEP 2013 (exchange rate on 9 SEP 2013: 1 GBP = 1.57 USD)
25.93 GBP = 40.71 USD
Cost of Crud Roadracer MK II on 19 NOV 2013 (exchange rate on 19 NOV 2013: 1 GBP = 1.61 USD)
22.85 GBP GBP = 36.78 USD
Total at time of purchase:
466+148+40.71+36.78 = 691.49 USD
This is the current value as assessed by the 2014 Scroca Rules and will be employed in all future calculations.
edit: Values for other participants will be left as is unless they desired to change their values.
Last edited by acidfast7; 02-21-14 at 02:04 PM.
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stats:
931km/578mi
£440/$691 total
£0.46/km
€0.56/km
$1.19/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
8093km/5029mi
£267/$446
3.3p/km
4.0c/km
8.8¢/mi
and of Slaninar:
12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi
photos:
931km/578mi
£440/$691 total
£0.46/km
€0.56/km
$1.19/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
8093km/5029mi
£267/$446
3.3p/km
4.0c/km
8.8¢/mi
and of Slaninar:
12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi
photos:
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It's a Friday night here, but I'm going to Skype with a potential PhD student in the US (UPenn) from Saudi about joining my research in England, after her workday is over.
Also, I Skype a lot to China.
So, I usually talk with people from Cali (-8h) to China (+8h) in a single day.
BF is quite nice.
As is cycling ... as soon as I walk anywhere with wireless ... I usually hear my mobile phones and iPod beeping with emails/messages from around the world (it does not sleep!) that need attention.
However, my movie just finished downloading (thanks England 20/1 service for £15/mo) and I'm going to cook a steak and chill out for a little while!
The time on BF is an easy distraction (I probably write between 20 and 200 pages/week in multiple languages), so this is free of charge!
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stats:
950km/590mi
£440/$691 total
£0.46/km
€0.56/km
$1.17/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
8093km/5029mi
£267/$446
3.3p/km
4.0c/km
8.8¢/mi
and of Slaninar:
12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi
photos:
950km/590mi
£440/$691 total
£0.46/km
€0.56/km
$1.17/mi
goal is to catch up to the ratios of bigbenaugust:
8093km/5029mi
£267/$446
3.3p/km
4.0c/km
8.8¢/mi
and of Slaninar:
12700km/7891mi
£703/€849/$1160
5.5p/km
6.7c/km
14.7¢/mi
photos:
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I will try and remember to get my figures together tomorrow, should be fun to play along with a serious advantage