Bill,

I have not commented until now, but feel compelled to do so. FWIW, I think the adverse views re. your signature line expressed in this thread are, to be blunt, the result either of a failure of reading comprehension or of a somewhat wilful (and misdirected) hyper-sensitivity itself bordering on intolerance. Neither your sig. line nor any of your posts that I have ever read have evidenced anything remotely approaching either a 'holier than thou' attitude or proselytizing.

In my opinion, based on reading your posts on various subjects and also (I must say) in response to me personally, you have been nothing but entertaining/interesting/supportive, and on-topic. Enough said. I am not a 'religious' person; far from it. But that's of no consequence; your sig. line is simply an expression of a part of your life; I cannot for the life of me see how anyone could find such an expression in any way offensive -- if they do, I would suggest they look rather closer to home for a solution to their unease. So stick to your principles, say I.

Oct join date, 13 posts and already annoyed. Your skin is too thin for this sport.

If that's what it means I'd be more than happy to take a free ride the rest of the way in. I think I could've stayed with those kinds of paces a lot longer w/o having to pull.

If your gut feels knotting/burning up before you ever get up front though, the group is probably too fast for you and you're likely gonna be shot after taking your turn. It is fun.....intoxicating actually....going that much faster than I usually do with the hot dogs but I've paid for it sometimes. I started pacing myself for the distance anymore because what time I gained in the first half would be lost, and then some, limping my way to the finish in the second half. Either way the hot dogs came in way ahead of me.

I'm sure the guy realized his limits just finishing that event (if he did) and will choose a less ambitious group next time.

+1

Happy Thanksgiving! We truly have much to be thankful for.

To the point of yelling "Pull Off," I'm not sure I can comment since I don't do group riding, but I can see why you might want to get back up to the pace. There are times I've gotten behind another cyclist going a bit slower than I like and I just dig in, accelerate, and say "on your left."



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RE: Those offended by sigs.

In the words of Sgt Hulka

"Lighten up Francis."

amen!

Mega kudos to the mods, BTW. They have exercised admirable restraint.

I just can't imagine what people are so sensitive about...?



“There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” ―The Quran

**** or to P&R.

I don't ride pace lines for 3 reasons: there are none around Monroe in which to ride, when I ride with Skipper if were not riding side by side I'm more than content to let him lead. Lastly, I'm a firm believer in Joe Henderson's (from when I was a runner) theory of LSD. This, of course meaning long, slow, distance not something found on the back of a stamp or in a sugar cube.

To those who do ride pacelines-is it common practice to jump into one composed of strangers? It seems a bit rude to me. I could understand if it was composed of riders that you know or if it was something organized by a club with standards of ability being set at the beginning of the ride but to jump in without an invitation, wouldn't happen. Of course, even with one, it probably wouldn't happen. I keep the bar low so as not to trip when I'm jumping over it.

Pacelines can be open or closed depending on the group's intensions. One should ask for inclusion if joining is desired. Pacelines often provide an opportunity for improvement one can not get when riding alone.

Over on the 41 a Saudi posted a ride by 100 cyclists in downtown Khobar in support of development of cycling infrastructure in their country.

There were two recumbents. It was pretty cool.

Muslims do post on BF. I'd like for them to feel welcome.

Anyway, if your expression of faith is sincere, they would love to know that there are fellow believers on this forum. Any faith that allows recumbents is fine with me.

If you are just mocking their faith, I doubt they'd be amused. I would not blame them one bit for being offended. Attacks on someone's religious beliefs on a public forum are in decidely poor taste.

You could just go over to the 41 and get their take on it directly if you have the courage.

If you don't, you could just delete your post before someone takes offense.

I'm not offended in the slightest. I just think it's boorish.

[QUOTE=OldTryGuy;16282868]...One should ask for inclusion if joining is desired...QUOTE]

OldTry-This is what I was getting at. I know that it doesn't directly address your original query but you did that quite nicely in your previous post.
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long slow distance or long steady distance?? I have seen (and heard argued) both ways. In the latest issue of Bicycling, they quote Friel as saying "slow" - but I have read arguments pointing to "steady"

Denvr-My reference was to a training method espoused by Joe Henderson for runners and was "long, slow, distance." I was a slow runner as well!

Slow could be a 28mph or 20mph or 16mph average ride with jumps and slow downs whereas steady is a constant paced effort of 28mph or 20mph or 16mph for the distance.

Two different work-outs yielding two different end results. Guess it depends on desired results.

So far, lol.

I've deleted one of my posts just so the thread will get some continuity.
But the mods have developed a 6th sense of how these things turn so I
hope it doesn't turn non-topical.

"Slow" is a funny (ha, ha) term in cycling, since it's relative, same with "fast." What's slow to one person will have the next person dropping off their wheel. That's why people have started saying "steady," which is kind of the same thing, because the real operative word in that phrase is "long." So it's a pace you can hold for say, 4+ hours without becoming overly tired, meaning you could do it again tomorrow. There's a lot to that. But it's not necessarily what we would all agree is slow. Perhaps the best way to relate is that it would be one's touring effort level. For sure when we come back from a bike tour, we are noticeably stronger yet well rested.

Bill, I obviously have not spent enough time in the forum to get to know you and to know about your suffering for which I am very sympathetic, and pleased you have pulled through.
Similarly, you don't know me who has no tolerance for religious proselytizing, which was how I understood your tag line, the same way I react to the fish on the back of cars.
My family and I have also had serious medical problems, some of which we still confront, but have never felt the urge to use a tag line to tell the world we get through life using our strong will and medical science. Prayer doesn't even figure in it.
Good luck.
Stay well

If you're racing on the track, it's not unusual that gaps appear when the peleton is lined out. If you're in one of the gapped lines, chasing like mad to get back to the leaders, it's quite common to yell at the guy leading the gapped group (and moving a little too slowly) to "swing up!" After all, you don't want to go around the guy, because you have to around the outside, and he just might swing up into you, plus it's more effort to pass a rider on the outside of a turn. By the same token, if there's a one- or two-bike-length gap in front of you, and a rider has just swung off and is coming back down the pace line, you might yell at him to drop "IN!" right in front of you, effectively closing that gap. You have to communicate with other riders, else you get dropped.

On a casual training ride on the road, things aren't quite as intense. If someone at the front is going too slow for your liking, there's usually room to pass him on either side. Usually you'd go opposite the side riders have been swinging off. If it's an intelligent/experienced pace line, this will mean passing him on the leeward side (you always swing off into the wind). You probably don't want to yell at the guy to swing off simply because there might be a car back, passing the line, and he just might swing off without looking... Once you pass him, he'll get the message.

That said, there's nothing wrong with telling the guy in front to "pick it up!" If he can't, he'll prepare to swing off, making sure there's no car coming up.

If it's a club ride, pace lines are expected. You don't have to ask. If some club passes you, it's OK to jump on the back, but I would just draft, allowing guys coming back to slot in ahead of me. If they want you to do some work, the guy will leave that gap open, forcing you to close it. Now you're in the pace line. In Paris-Brest-Paris, the Seattle Randonneurs had their own pace line going, and they didn't want anyone else in the rotation. They had a "ticket puncher" in the back who made sure that non-SR riders did not enter the rotation. I just sat behind the ticket puncher; fine with me, I didn't have to do any work!

Luis

Look on Ebay or Craig's List for the guy's bike. A guy like that should take up knitting.

Probably not that one. If he's got the cojones to latch onto that fast a group in the first place he'll probably be ambitious enough to just ride more and faster miles and choose his groups more carefully. Depends on whether he wants to put in the work or not.

And I agree with lhbernhardt in that passing a leadout in a paceline with strangers like that creates chances for an unpredictable response. Better to stick to paceline protocol and just have the guy pull out. Really in that situation safety might take priority over niceties when guys are tapping their brakes.

I agree with the OP regarding how he/they handled a rider slowing the flow of a pace line.
Trying to get the group to go around the slow rider is difficult, disrupts the flow and potentially unsafe especially with an unknown riders or riders.

Was it being yelled at or speaking loudly to be heard and responded to...I work in a busy paper mill, we all wear ear plugs and it is very noisy...we all speak in loud voices just to be heard...similar in a way to a pace line as you deal with the riders focus on pulling or keeping pace, the wind in your ears, distance of riders from riders, etc.

It is always difficult when there is a new rider or riders in a pace line of riders that know each other or who have become smooth during the ride.
If the group I was riding with was pushing a pace and working smoothly I'd say something to a rider entering the group and slowing the pace during his/her pull...when they pulled out I'd take a moment to suggest when they reach the point where it is their turn to pull they immediately pull out and cycle back until they felt strong enough to maintain the pace...there is no disgrace from doing that and it is done by many when the need arises...if they were *****y or ignored the suggestion I'd drop them in a heart beat and not think of them again...

+1

It was a quick lesson and it only took him a couple of seconds and a bruised ego to
figure-out what is what.
It's up to him to learn, train and grow.
Sometimes, you get your hand held, other times, some old guy yells at you.

S