Is this a dumb idea?
04-27-25 | 06:15 AM
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If you're referring to the ACC pedal kickstand, note that the crank arm in the photo is positioned a few degrees behind bottom dead center. That's all that's needed for the ACC pedal kickstand to work.
It's the same principle as standing a bike upright by positioning one pedal so that it's (1) rotated down and slightly back from bottom dead center and (2) resting on a curb. Many of us learned to do that for decades. The ACC pedal kickstand just eliminates the need to use a curb.
It's the same principle as standing a bike upright by positioning one pedal so that it's (1) rotated down and slightly back from bottom dead center and (2) resting on a curb. Many of us learned to do that for decades. The ACC pedal kickstand just eliminates the need to use a curb.
04-27-25 | 07:22 AM
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The best kickstand is the double old-school-motorcycle kickstand. Anything short of that is going to be a compromise. Just a question of how much risk the rider is willing to tolerate.
04-27-25 | 07:40 AM
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Difference being, from a traditional bike kickstand, the ACC is attached to an unlocked crank.
it does offer more surface area but without a locking crank, it appears to me that it is a poor design.
it does offer more surface area but without a locking crank, it appears to me that it is a poor design.
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04-27-25 | 08:05 AM
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As I said, I and others have been using that method for decades. The only differences from the ACC are that it doesn't require a curb and is more stable.
04-27-25 | 08:51 AM
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I have to hand it to Mike, that he actually discussed the prototype idea versus the watch-band guy and the bike-lane separator guy (may be one in the same) who just teased us with an idea but never even hinted at a design. The teasing thing does remind me of a couple of short lived relationships in high school. 
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04-27-25 | 09:39 AM
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Or the lean-the-bike-against-a-building-or-pole method, or the lie-the-bike-on-the-grass method. All have served me well over the many years I've been riding.
04-27-25 | 03:11 PM
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We don' need no steeking kikstands!
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04-28-25 | 10:15 AM
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Why reinvent the wheel, so to speak? Why not just buy a conventional, bolt on kickstand, which attached to chain stay/s, like we had as kids?
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04-28-25 | 11:38 AM
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Also a bad idea for carbon, which is probably obvious to all. And even for chro-mo steel chainstays, as someone at Surly explains very entertainingly on the company's website.
04-28-25 | 07:12 PM
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Im not interested in how to improve a kickstand on aluminum bikes, I want one on my carbon that works as efficiently.
04-28-25 | 07:53 PM
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What we want and what the market will accept is often conflicting.
04-28-25 | 08:16 PM
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Thanks for letting me know. A swing and a miss.
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04-28-25 | 08:23 PM
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But we’ll be eagerly awaiting your finished product, Fiddy, if you get some time off, that is.
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04-29-25 | 04:12 AM
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Whatever. You might or might not have known. Plenty of people here who consider themselves knowledgeable about bikes don't know better. Spelling it out for them doesn't harm the rest of us.
As a Surly employee felt the need to do on their website.
As a Surly employee felt the need to do on their website.
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04-29-25 | 11:43 AM
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Whatever. You might or might not have known. Plenty of people here who consider themselves knowledgeable about bikes don't know better. Spelling it out for them doesn't harm the rest of us.
As a Surly employee felt the need to do on their website.
As a Surly employee felt the need to do on their website.
(As my posts have painfully revealed, I know little, bordering on none)
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05-03-25 | 08:46 PM
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Sounds like a poor idea. I mean loads of extra complication to replace a $15-30 part and won't actually work without more parts and more stuff to fail. I will just stick to my rear wheels rubber or a normal kickstand. All companies need to do is put a 18 or 40mm bolt spacing at the rear and you can mount a whole lot of kickstands that are out of the way.
05-06-25 | 04:54 AM
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First, do a search for similar ideas on USPTO.gov (US Patent and Trademark Office); My dad had an idea and was going to spend money to patent it, I said hold on, the next day I handed him printouts on a half-dozen different versions of the same thing already patented. He thanked me for saving him the money.
