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Old 03-03-09 | 02:35 PM
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I have some critique of Vik's posted pedals, but not on their appearances.

I quite like the benefits of the design, having both increased ground clearance and lowered center of gravity are admirable qualities. The designers website is fairly good in detailing the benefits of these pedals, except in one regard:

On the website there is a solid claim of increased durability without any evidence backing up this claim from what I can see.

I think that in this regard, the pedals have two design challenges in regards to durability:

The bearing assembly is at the base of the pedal, with the bearings placed extremely close together. Wise of the designer to use heavier bearings in this case.

Having such a thin pedal, they have been made tapered up at the base with a thicker material, but most of the pedal is a fairly thin, non-reinforced material. That could potentially be trouble for a heavier rider who comes down from drops with his / her feet further out on the pedal, over time.

They seem to be strong enough, as they're pictured in use in some pretty heavy duty conditions. But the designer doesn't have any explanation or evidence supporting their claim to durability. I'd be worried about them in use over time personally, and it would be nice to see some information in that regard.
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Old 03-03-09 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Abneycat
I have some critique of Vik's posted pedals, but not on their appearances.

I quite like the benefits of the design, having both increased ground clearance and lowered center of gravity are admirable qualities. The designers website is fairly good in detailing the benefits of these pedals, except in one regard:

On the website there is a solid claim of increased durability without any evidence backing up this claim from what I can see.

I think that in this regard, the pedals have two design challenges in regards to durability:

The bearing assembly is at the base of the pedal, with the bearings placed extremely close together. Wise of the designer to use heavier bearings in this case.

Having such a thin pedal, they have been made tapered up at the base with a thicker material, but most of the pedal is a fairly thin, non-reinforced material. That could potentially be trouble for a heavier rider who comes down from drops with his / her feet further out on the pedal, over time.

They seem to be strong enough, as they're pictured in use in some pretty heavy duty conditions. But the designer doesn't have any explanation or evidence supporting their claim to durability. I'd be worried about them in use over time personally, and it would be nice to see some information in that regard.
Just a couple comments:

- the bearings are massive compared to typical pedal bearings
- these pedals have been used for 1 or 2 seasons of pro DH racing
- they've also been used by a 200lbs+ rider on nearly a daily basis for some pretty tough riding

As an engineer I have no issues with the design of these pedals...I wouldn't be worried about durability or how they function. It's a great design. The only issues I have are related to needing customized cranks and the associated cost of having to buy new pedals and cranks. If Dean can sort out that element of the design and maintain the rest of the pedal's functionality he'll sell them quite well.
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Old 03-03-09 | 02:52 PM
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I went to the bowcycle site...it kinda sucks in that...the componentry section is not really categorized. Am I mislead?
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Old 03-03-09 | 02:57 PM
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I went to the bowcycle site...it kinda sucks in that...the componentry section is not really categorized. Am I mislead?
Bow is a LBS (not a internet retailer) and a massive one at that. They don't really push the online sales and the website isn't set up as such.
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Old 03-03-09 | 03:18 PM
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Bow is a LBS (not a internet retailer) and a massive one at that. They don't really push the online sales and the website isn't set up as such.
+1 - if you want something email or call them and they'll hook you up. They are a great LBS, but they are only really starting to move onto the web.
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Old 03-03-09 | 06:21 PM
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^^ Cool. Thanks for that, vik. Always a treat when you get to meet the innovators in person and talk to them.

Don't go making too many assumptions there, Reb. Believe me, I've suffered enough low-grade pedals, unsealed bearings, homemade, shadetree modifications because that's all I could afford. Some of us have what we have now by hard work and carefully cultivating relationships with some key people to help us along our way .
Oh, my bad man, Didn't mean it as an insult, just a joke.
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Old 03-03-09 | 06:23 PM
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The picture I took above was poor quality because of the indoor lighting.



Here are a couple better shots of these NRG pedals.


That's a HUGE tire hoss...
Never seen one that big 'round here yet.
What/where do you ride?
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Old 03-03-09 | 10:49 PM
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Vik, thanks for your input on vouching for the durability. They certainly are interesting.

I have no interest to go with the cranks you need for these pedals, otherwise they'd be on my list. I'm going to pass them on to a friend who likes the heavy-duty equipment though.

Ended up going with Crank Brothers Eggbeaters, which are certainly another cool looking set of pedals - I don't think i'd use the Eggbeaters for the heavy stuff you see these pedals doing, though.
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Old 03-04-09 | 12:05 AM
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Here is the first part of the video of Dean talking about his pedals.

Here is part 2.
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Old 03-04-09 | 12:06 AM
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That's a HUGE tire hoss...
Never seen one that big 'round here yet.
What/where do you ride?
Have a look here.
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Hi Vik, yeah very interesting fat tire you've got there. What impressed me even more is the rim! Unless my eyes are deceiving me, those rims have the spoke holes off-set to the right side! A very clever way to minimize spoke dishing? Are they yours? One offs?

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Old 03-04-09 | 02:59 AM
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How 'bout e.13:


Thanks for the pics chelboed, I didn't even know e13 made pedals. So far out of all the new lot I've never seen before, I kinda like these, but I'm not too sure about the colors.

Anyone tried these before?

Looks like a sandwich with replaceable tops... and pins...

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Hi Vik, yeah very interesting fat tire you've got there. What impressed me even more is the rim! Unless my eyes are deceiving me, those rims have the spoke holes off-set to the right side! A very clever way to minimize spoke dishing? Are they yours? One offs?

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Here is more info about those wheels:

- Surly Large Marge Pugsley Offset Rims
- Surly 3.7" Endomorph Tires
- Shimano Alfine IGH
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Old 03-04-09 | 09:13 PM
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Unfortunately, yes! Like they'll last less than a day in the trail, and the molded plastic pins even less.

Funny enough, the Oddessey Twisted Pro (aluminium with replaceable steel pins) is my fav platform from way back in my BMX days... but the company released a cheap black plastic version that really gave the pedal a bad name... and then this!!

Probably for the kiddie bike market.

My son's been using PRIMO meat tenderizers for his skatepark BMX until he tried my Twisted Pro. Loved the grip and the feel. Next minute my MTB's got his ugly mashers, and he's got my Twisted Pros - then bent the axles not soon after!

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^dang.

Yea my 3900 came with those *lovely* plastic pedal POS, I shattered them off a rock. Within the first week I rode.
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Old 03-05-09 | 09:29 PM
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I do okay, with my schwinn xs ... ( meatal with replacable pins. Look like shimano ones posted , but only ~20$ ... 8 years ago. : o ) )

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