lol true. Same with ostriches and penguins.

They make bread and cheese at a farm?

wut. of course they do. what a silly question.

Yeah 17 is what you want. Ignore the following paragraph as it'll probably just create confusion.

Measured from the perpendicular. Don't worry about that part though. Measured from the steerer is pretty much antiquated and you'll only see it on quill stems. 17 measured from the steerer would have INSANE drop or rise. 45° is about as high as you'll likely see measured from the perpendicular. 60° is about as low as you'll see measured from the steerer.

Snowflakes as big as saucers outside right now!

Yes. Yes they do.

They do have things you can order they don't make there. But the majority of their products are made there. It's a pretty huge farm.

How many farms make either? Not many, unless twobadfish lives in Amish country.

Awesome. It's supposed to be in the 50s and raining today.

Yeah, we'd call it a dairy if'n they were milk and cheesin' it. Don't think we have any bread farms 'round here.

The farm I pass by every day only has hay
And once a year they'll sell a half a beef.

They make pies, cakes, cookies, yogurt... they have products like spaghetti sauce, alfredo sauce.. that they resell from local producers.

Farms that do have a dairy send the milk elsewhere to be made into cheese. You need a bakery to mass-produce bread. It's called specialization. Welcome to the twentieth-century.

It's all too much I can't keep up.

Are you saying that a farm that serves all of Southern Utah is too small to have a bakery and dairy where they make their own cheese and bread?

We get bread from this guy. Most call him a superhero, I think of him as a deity.

what's a farm?

it's amazing what you can learn here isn't it? It's like free college.

White Bread?

Super Whitebread to the rescue!

Are you saying that there are no trucks in Southern Utah hauling in food from elsewhere?

Fun fact: the first boarding school I attending had a functioning dairy. Thankfully I transferred elsewhere before I got assigned to work there. What a nightmare that would have been.

No. I'm saying that the farm we buy produce, milk, cheese, and bread from produces it all at their farm, unless specifically indicated otherwise. That is their business model.

You were wrong, let's just move on.

That's pretty cool. Are the Amish? or Mennonites or something?

Yes. Pulled something a few weeks ago.

why do you and bearboy think that only the Amish and Mennonites make their own stuff?

I just think of them when I think of a full-service farm. Dunno why. Most places here are more specialized. You'll pass by Ridgefield Dairy, then Johnson's Christmas Trees, then Jones' Filberts, Mountain View Llamas, there's even a chicken poop specialist up the road. I love their sign, big chicken and the tag line "Chicken Manure, it'll GROW on you!"

I guess I could see hippies doing the diversified farm/bakery/dairy concept also.

I reckon I think the Amish are the only ones who work enough hours in a day and have a big enough family to produce such a wide variety of products in one place and have enough surplus to sell to other folks.

This farm operation in UT might be totally different from the farms we have around here, I guess.

Considering the location, maybe it's a FLDS family...