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ctfinnigan 09-21-08 09:49 AM

I'm not sure what "stiff" means. I always think of BikeSnobNYC's dig at bikes being "stiff yet compliant". Is it the stressing of the frame?
As far as uses, I'll be riding this bike everyday for about forty minutes to get to work. Sun, rain, snow, doesn't matter. The bike I have now has holes drilled for fenders and they come in handy, so that would be something I would like to see on a bike.
I took at look at Cycle Solutions site, saw the Felt Curbside, and the Sputnik and Capo you mentioned. All look great. I guess I won't know until I take a few rides around the block.
Thanks for the suggestions and advice!


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 7509852)
Its crap that you got hit, but now that you're looking for a new bike, rest assured: there's tons of bikes for under $1500, esp. fixed gear.

The only three fixed gear bikes I've ridden are:
1) Jamis Sputnik -$800
2) Cannondale Capo -$900
3) Miele conversion -$50 :)

In general, the steel bikes (Sputnik and Miele) were more comfortable, and I still have the Miele frame, but sold the Sputnik because it was too small. The Capo is very stiff - you can confirm this with Operator - but will never "rust." I also test rode a Kona Paddy Wagon, but it just didn't feel right; the bike handled very slowly, IMHO.

Also keep in mind what you want the bike for: racing or commuting/utility? That matters a lot, because bikes designed for the latter will have fender and rack eyelets, which are pretty necessary in this city. I know Cycle Solutions sells a Canadian brand called, "Steelwool," which makes a Single Speed / Fixed gear model that has practical frame features (eyelets and easy geo), but it uses an eccentric bottom bracket instead of horizontal track ends.

In short, for 1500 bones you can be ballin' or save some cash and get a practical ride. Your choice.

What model Trek frame did you crash?


jet sanchEz 09-21-08 10:58 AM

I saw that the regular ol' Fuji Track bikes are only $450 at the bike shop in Kensingon that I can never remember the name of. It is on Augusta close to College. I realize your budget is much higher than that but with the winter coming, you might want a workhorse-type bike PLUS it has fender holes PLUS the bike market slows down a lot in the winter and you might find a nice deal on eBay or in a shop.

pyze-guy 09-21-08 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by jet sanchEz (Post 7512577)
I saw that the regular ol' Fuji Track bikes are only $450 at the bike shop in Kensingon that I can never remember the name of. It is on Augusta close to College. I realize your budget is much higher than that but with the winter coming, you might want a workhorse-type bike PLUS it has fender holes PLUS the bike market slows down a lot in the winter and you might find a nice deal on eBay or in a shop.

Bikes on Wheels.

shapelike 09-21-08 02:01 PM

Back from the race (didn't DFL = yay!)

Saw two people eat it on the "Mike Clark Commemorative Curb" and another broken carbon seatpost. Race day photos will be up in a bit.

kergin 09-21-08 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by ctfinnigan (Post 7512297)
I'm not sure what "stiff" means. I always think of BikeSnobNYC's dig at bikes being "stiff yet compliant". Is it the stressing of the frame?
As far as uses, I'll be riding this bike everyday for about forty minutes to get to work. Sun, rain, snow, doesn't matter. The bike I have now has holes drilled for fenders and they come in handy, so that would be something I would like to see on a bike.
I took at look at Cycle Solutions site, saw the Felt Curbside, and the Sputnik and Capo you mentioned. All look great. I guess I won't know until I take a few rides around the block.
Thanks for the suggestions and advice!

To me, its how the bike feels when you sprint out of saddle. The steel bikes I've had tend to feel flexy in the BB area when I need to grind up a hill or really push hard. Neither of my Cannondale's exhibit this feeling.

I should add: there is no vertical compliance with the Capo. All the road feel is transfered directly into your ass and arms. The best you can do with that kind of frame is pick the tires, saddle, and tape carefully.

tuz 09-21-08 02:51 PM

Hey ctfinnigan, if you're likely to commute on your new fixed I'd stay away from frames with track ends: they make the wheel kinda messy to remove when you have a flat, especially if you have fenders.
The Surly cross-check also is a good bike for versatility.

~Stuart~ 09-21-08 10:46 PM

when is critical mass?


now... time to go to bed before the week of overtime... uuugh

jeremywhitehorn 09-21-08 11:02 PM

i haven't been on the FGG in a while and when i checked in today i found my namesake on one of it's entries. i didn't know my family name had such a pedigree....

Flimflam 09-22-08 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by ~Stuart~ (Post 7516126)
when is critical mass?


now... time to go to bed before the week of overtime... uuugh

Next Friday, 6pm Bloor/Spadina.

shapelike 09-22-08 06:24 AM

Race photos: http://flickr.com/photos/shapelike/s...7607424106299/

2wheelsgood 09-22-08 06:28 AM

got hit by a car yesterday. while riding down ossington south of college a car pulling out of an alley makes eye contact with me, hesitates but then decides to make the turn before letting me pass. the next thing i know i'm on the hood of a car with one foot still in my pedal. the 'noni and myself are ok. just a little pissed.

2wheelsgood 09-22-08 07:01 AM

by the way, it's world car free day today so everybody try to resist the urge to waste your time and money by driving. looks like you'll have to suffer all the way to wherever it is your going on a bicycle. i know it's hard but you can do it!

ctfinnigan 09-22-08 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by tuz (Post 7513598)
Hey ctfinnigan, if you're likely to commute on your new fixed I'd stay away from frames with track ends: they make the wheel kinda messy to remove when you have a flat, especially if you have fenders.
The Surly cross-check also is a good bike for versatility.

By track ends do you mean the 100% horizontal rear drop-outs? They look really flashy, but if they are problematic I will try to avoid.


Originally Posted by kergin (Post 7513384)
To me, its how the bike feels when you sprint out of saddle. The steel bikes I've had tend to feel flexy in the BB area when I need to grind up a hill or really push hard. Neither of my Cannondale's exhibit this feeling.

I should add: there is no vertical compliance with the Capo. All the road feel is transfered directly into your ass and arms. The best you can do with that kind of frame is pick the tires, saddle, and tape carefully.

Ah, okay. Vertical compliance equals bumpy road, shocks move through the bike, your hands and butt feel it. The bike that I'm riding now (or was riding last, at least) was steel and exhibited what you describe as flexy. So a 'real' track bike would have less flex? That probably allows for a more efficient power transfer, right?


Originally Posted by jet sanchEz (Post 7512577)
I saw that the regular ol' Fuji Track bikes are only $450 at the bike shop in Kensingon that I can never remember the name of. It is on Augusta close to College. I realize your budget is much higher than that but with the winter coming, you might want a workhorse-type bike PLUS it has fender holes PLUS the bike market slows down a lot in the winter and you might find a nice deal on eBay or in a shop.

That's another thing I was thinking about, just putting down the 400-500 to get my old bike fixed, and then dropping ~1000 on a new bike. If I could spend 450 to get a brand new bike though....well I'd have to look into that!

Thanks all for the help. I've got some shops to hit up.

somnambulant 09-22-08 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by 2wheelsgood (Post 7517179)
by the way, it's world car free day today so everybody try to resist the urge to waste your time and money by driving. looks like you'll have to suffer all the way to wherever it is your going on a bicycle. i know it's hard but you can do it!

There's free hot breakfast on Wilcocks St on St. George Campus too, for "Bike to Campus Day".

duppy.conqueror 09-22-08 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by 2wheelsgood (Post 7517179)
by the way, it's world car free day today so everybody try to resist the urge to waste your time and money by driving. looks like you'll have to suffer all the way to wherever it is your going on a bicycle. i know it's hard but you can do it!

fk'n bicyclers...youre all a bunch o' hippies...go get an SUV! :D

2wheelsgood 09-22-08 09:33 AM

dang

http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/bik/849754589.html

somnambulant 09-22-08 10:17 AM

wtf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evhCtt2g6fo

jeremywhitehorn 09-22-08 10:54 AM

i guess you gotta have some silly fun during those long hours in the saddle...

shapelike 09-22-08 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by 2wheelsgood (Post 7518096)

Post was marked for removal ... what was is?

2wheelsgood 09-22-08 01:18 PM

a mostly original 1968 cinelli supercorsa pista

jaysilent 09-22-08 02:05 PM

1750 pages of replies......jesus ****ing christ i just wanted to see if you had or where in the video in toronto on the main page

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=468120

very impressive, 10x the other messenger stuff i have seen because it is real and also well made

is any of u the people on the video?

TRaffic Jammer 09-22-08 02:31 PM

You won't find any of them here, they have better stuff to do after riding all day generally. Most are FB friendly though.
I won't say Discovery did a bad job on it, but it could have been better, as a 'tribe' even messengers run in packs/cliques not a cohesive group en mass.

jaysilent 09-22-08 03:00 PM

i should hv figured, a rap star, single mom, party guy and a dude that may not have internet probably ain up n here.

but that true of all groups no? cliqs w/in packs w/in tribe cept tribe trumps / symbolzes the common thread that they all relate to, in this case the road and the job
all 4 were impressive, the rookie was so very rookie and honest about it, the rap star is angry and dealing with it, the mom is a mom ain no real than that and the young guy charlie just exude freindly

impressive

TRaffic Jammer 09-22-08 05:59 PM

As for tribalism, they will all help each other out if they can. I've taken the runs off another messenger on his way to emergency and fit them into my day so he'd still get paid, even though he was with another company. God help you if a messenger with a radio sees you riding a stolen messenger bike ...... just give the bike up when you get cornered.

jeremywhitehorn 09-22-08 06:06 PM

anyone else see jeopardy tonight. best clue i've seen in a while: "a bicycle which does not coast and is favoured by bike messengers worldwide is refered to as a fixed _____?"

the guy answered "fixed drive" and they gave it to him! oddly the whole "racing bike" category "happened" to involve products from the friendly trek bicycle corporation...

tjfix 09-22-08 06:16 PM

dude, how much are they paying u to promote this ordinary video.


Originally Posted by jaysilent (Post 7520487)
1750 pages of replies......jesus ****ing christ i just wanted to see if you had or where in the video in toronto on the main page

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=468120

very impressive, 10x the other messenger stuff i have seen because it is real and also well made

is any of u the people on the video?


cavit8 09-22-08 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by jaysilent (Post 7520487)
1750 pages of replies......jesus ****ing christ i just wanted to see if you had or where in the video in toronto on the main page <<Snip>>

very impressive, 10x the other messenger stuff i have seen because it is real and also well made

Yeah, we're social folks.

If you liked the feel of the discovery channel segment, check out Pedal which is a well done doc on NY messengers. Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VckgDaKpRK0

aaronu 09-22-08 08:11 PM

ive been curious about Pedal for a while. do you happen to know if there are any stores in town where i could rent it?

bexley 09-22-08 08:49 PM

In Toronto for a few weeks--time to do my part to bloat this thread. I'm used to being able to get a good $1.50 long espresso in Montreal. Not so in TO. I liked the stuff at Manic, but it's a 15 minute ride and not that cheap.

Obviously I'm killing time or something, 'cause my question is simple: where can I buy a stove-top espresso maker for a fair price? Chinatown?

(Another thing...anyone here have a 16mm projector or editing table? I'd make you all the coffee you want in said stove-top maker if I could use it a couple times over the next few weeks.)

~Stuart~ 09-22-08 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by bexley (Post 7523327)
In Toronto for a few weeks--time to do my part to bloat this thread. I'm used to being able to get a good $1.50 long espresso in Montreal. Not so in TO. I liked the stuff at Manic, but it's a 15 minute ride and not that cheap.

Obviously I'm killing time or something, 'cause my question is simple: where can I buy a stove-top espresso maker for a fair price? Chinatown?

(Another thing...anyone here have a 16mm projector or editing table? I'd make you all the coffee you want in said stove-top maker if I could use it a couple times over the next few weeks.)

Were you at queen and spadina yesterday at ~5ish?


saw some guy with a 16mm camera who turned it away when i pulled up in front of it :D


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