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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
(Post 18255296)
...I need the conversion factor for furlongs per fortnight. Is it 42 ?
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Originally Posted by rjones28
(Post 18254560)
I need new shoe covers.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
(Post 18255240)
BikeForums is serious business.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
(Post 18255706)
Maybe for the owners of the forum it is, but everyone else, not so much.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
(Post 18255807)
Are you sure?
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Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 18255153)
It depends. Once you get into high end stuff, its very difficult to hear much meaningful difference between them. Microscopic differences, diminishing returns for sure.
BUT, the difference between low end and high end is real, dramatic, and pronounced. So spend SOME money on it, but don't get too crazy. |
Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels
(Post 18255838)
Wow, that statement sums up basically every hobby you could possibly think of.
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Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels
(Post 18255838)
Wow, that statement sums up basically every hobby you could possibly think of.
Back in the day when I was a young music lover, I used lamp chord as speaker wire for my modest little system . . . hey, I was a poor college student, that's what everybody did, and it worked. Many, many years later I was able to afford better cables, and one day switched my lamp chord to Monster cables. Instantly I was granted entry into that ethereal world of music where you could hear sounds in familiar music that you never knew were there. It was an experience that rivaled sex . . . seriously . . . yet it was available whenever you wanted it, for as long as you wanted, and you didn't have to wine and dine it first. lol Eventually I moved up into the truly high end cable category, and although I was once again able to hear a difference it was a much, much smaller difference, barely noticeable, requiring effort to detect and introducing the element of uncertainty. On the other hand, there is absolutely NO uncertainty between lamp chord wire and high end wire. The sound improvement is real and dramatic. I have no idea how that coat hanger report is even possible. |
Originally Posted by Herbie53
(Post 18255846)
+1, and it's rational. There is no place for that sort of talk on BF.
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Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 18255962)
That coat hanger study I find impossible to believe. I don't know what the parameters of the study were, but they were obviously skewed and biased.
Back in the day when I was a young music lover, I used lamp chord as speaker wire for my modest little system . . . hey, I was a poor college student, that's what everybody did, and it worked. Many, many years later I was able to afford better cables, and one day switched my lamp chord to Monster cables. Instantly I was granted entry into that ethereal world of music where you could hear sounds in familiar music that you never knew were there. It was an experience that rivaled sex . . . seriously . . . yet it was available whenever you wanted it, for as long as you wanted, and you didn't have to wine and dine it first. lol Eventually I moved up into the truly high end cable category, and although I was once again able to hear a difference it was a much, much smaller difference, barely noticeable, requiring effort to detect and introducing the element of uncertainty. On the other hand, there is absolutely NO uncertainty between lamp chord wire and high end wire. The sound improvement is real and dramatic. I have no idea how that coat hanger report is even possible. And the "study" was really just him and some buddies in a room while his brother, who prepped the cables, switched back and forth to see if they could tell a difference. I googled it some more and saw some joker on youtube with a video trying to show that the story couldn't be possible because he did it and they sounded like crap. Yeah, all he did was put two hangers side by side (not twisted) with insulation on one wire and each end was simply clamped to the connectors, not soldered. Yeah, you're gonna have problems. |
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Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels
(Post 18256000)
For one, the guy who prepped the coat hanger wires is a technical guy who knows how to build these things. All the information (there is a longer post in a forum linked from the article I linked) says is that he took two wires and twisted and soldered them and prepped them to be a length matching the monster cables. When you look at them, coat hangers are really just a heavy gauge wire, so it would make sense that they would be really good conductors if properly set up.
And the "study" was really just him and some buddies in a room while his brother, who prepped the cables, switched back and forth to see if they could tell a difference. I googled it some more and saw some joker on youtube with a video trying to show that the story couldn't be possible because he did it and they sounded like crap. Yeah, all he did was put two hangers side by side (not twisted) with insulation on one wire and each end was simply clamped to the connectors, not soldered. Yeah, you're gonna have problems. |
Originally Posted by rjones28
(Post 18255807)
Are you sure?
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
(Post 18256078)
I used to be sure of things. Then I started posting on BF. Now, not so much.
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I'm realizing that I have too many hobbies here. Most listed so far (garage full of RC planes, SVI in the safe, tons of tube guitar equipment, etc)... and then a few more. Sheesh. All I have time for anymore is cycling.
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Originally Posted by datlas
(Post 18256132)
You mean the penman is learning some humility??!!?? :innocent:
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Originally Posted by WalksOn2Wheels
(Post 18256000)
For one, the guy who prepped the coat hanger wires is a technical guy who knows how to build these things. All the information (there is a longer post in a forum linked from the article I linked) says is that he took two wires and twisted and soldered them and prepped them to be a length matching the monster cables. When you look at them, coat hangers are really just a heavy gauge wire, so it would make sense that they would be really good conductors if properly set up.
See, this is why the Method section of scientific reports is so important. |
Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 18256267)
Oh ok, so it was just fraudulent reporting, because the title of the "report" leads one to believe that a wire coat hanger was simply straightened out and somehow connected between some speakers and a receiver/pre-amp. Turns out that wasn't the case at all. I didn't even venture to read the "report" because I automatically knew it couldn't be true as stated.
See, this is why the Method section of scientific reports is so important. Futhermore, the orignal "report" was actually just a well written post on a forum that somehow made the rounds on several blogs as if it was an in depth test. But really it was a guy and some friends letting his brother try different setups (though it was a true blind test) to see if they could subjectively tell a difference. So yeah... |
Originally Posted by datlas
(Post 18255834)
Is this a trick question?
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Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 18255962)
That coat hanger study I find impossible to believe. I don't know what the parameters of the study were, but they were obviously skewed and biased.
Back in the day when I was a young music lover, I used lamp chord as speaker wire for my modest little system . . . hey, I was a poor college student, that's what everybody did, and it worked. Many, many years later I was able to afford better cables, and one day switched my lamp chord to Monster cables. Instantly I was granted entry into that ethereal world of music where you could hear sounds in familiar music that you never knew were there. It was an experience that rivaled sex . . . seriously . . . yet it was available whenever you wanted it, for as long as you wanted, and you didn't have to wine and dine it first. lol Eventually I moved up into the truly high end cable category, and although I was once again able to hear a difference it was a much, much smaller difference, barely noticeable, requiring effort to detect and introducing the element of uncertainty. On the other hand, there is absolutely NO uncertainty between lamp chord wire and high end wire. The sound improvement is real and dramatic. I have no idea how that coat hanger report is even possible. |
Originally Posted by 3alarmer
(Post 18257125)
...still using lamp cord, but the fat stuff. :( Fortunately, I have so much hearing loss in the high ranges that it no longer matters. :) #goodandbadineverything
Did you say something? |
Originally Posted by Homebrew01
(Post 18255626)
Get gold plated carbon fiber.
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Lots of audio people in here, who is running the most power with their system?
People are quite surprised to get in my volvo with 3.5kw of max power pushing the speakers :) That is much more power than I will ever really use, might only get 30s of bursts at that power. Open to any system of course. |
Bunny killed the thread.
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It happens.
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Dammit
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