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Old 02-15-23, 12:31 PM
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I think I get a follow-up email in a few hours. I'll let you know what it says. (like I care)

In @datlas speak, it's for:Trib rtnl vein occlusion bilateral with macular edema
I found out, yesterday, what my upcoming surgery will be.. Fiddling with the retina (I now know what it is and what it does) and removing the cataract. I thought it would be scheduled yesterday but there is at least one more step.. It's amazing how these things drag out DougRNS . Looking through my paperwork I see the whole process began in the middle of July. Will the second eye take that long too? Then there's my ears--- I'm practically deaf on the right side
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They made watches just for astronauts? That's a very small market. Seems like a basic digital watch like datlas' would have worked just fine.
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Seeing a bike photographed from that angle, running cables through frame tubes almost makes sense
I have one bike with the rear brake cable running through the top tube. I prefer it otherwise
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
They made watches just for astronauts? That's a very small market. Seems like a basic digital watch like datlas' would have worked just fine.
You mean the basic digital watch that didn't exist at the time? I'm sure it would have. The "digital watches" of that era were basic mechanical watch movements with the hour and minute hands replaced by rotating discs, in a case with windows that only showed a small portion at a time. Like this:

Back in the late 50s/early 60s, NASA solicited watches from watch companies to test under a variety of harsh conditions, and the Omega Speedmaster Professional was the one that passed all the tests. Later, Bulova's Accutron also passed the tests, but the Speedy Pro was the one issued to the astronauts in the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs. IIRC, the guts of an Accutron were used as a timekeeping instrument in at least some of the capsules.

Remember, the first battery-powered watches had only been introduced in 1957. There were no quartz watches. There were no real digital watches. There were mechanical watches, electromechanical watches, and the Accutron.

EDIT: Bulova marketed the "Astronaut" series to the public, which at the time was obsessed with space, and space flight. Similarly, Omega has been selling the Speedmaster Professional as the "Moon Watch" for the last 5 decades. People who know very little about watches will buy a Speedmaster Professional because of that. Mind you, it's also an excellent watch, so people who know a lot about watches also buy them (sometimes for much the same reason, though).
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
They made watches just for astronauts? That's a very small market. Seems like a basic digital watch like datlas' would have worked just fine.
There is no market. They get them as part of their kit.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Back in the late 50s/early 60s, NASA solicited watches from watch companies to test under a variety of harsh conditions, and the Omega Speedmaster Professional was the one that passed all the tests. Later, Bulova's Accutron also passed the tests, but the Speedy Pro was the one issued to the astronauts in the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs. IIRC, the guts of an Accutron were used as a timekeeping instrument in at least some of the capsules.

Remember, the first battery-powered watches had only been introduced in 1957. There were no quartz watches. There were no real digital watches. There were mechanical watches, electromechanical watches, and the Accutron.

EDIT: Bulova marketed the "Astronaut" series to the public, which at the time was obsessed with space, and space flight. Similarly, Omega has been selling the Speedmaster Professional as the "Moon Watch" for the last 5 decades. People who know very little about watches will buy a Speedmaster Professional because of that. Mind you, it's also an excellent watch, so people who know a lot about watches also buy them (sometimes for much the same reason, though).
Rolex et al. keep sponsoring races and marketing watches to sailors, by which they mean rich people who aspire to be yachty. No real sailor would wear a non-expendable watch on a boat, much less a mechanical one and chemically illuminated dials are a complete joke when you really have to know what time it is at night and your eyes are bleary from sleep deprivation or you're old and don't have your glasses on. I assume the same goes for astronauts.

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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Rolex et al. keep sponsoring races and marketing watches to sailors, by which they mean rich people who aspire to be yachty. No real sailor would wear a non-expendable watch on a boat, much less a mechanical one and chemically illuminated dials are a complete joke when you really have to know what time it is at night and your eyes are bleary from sleep deprivation or you're old and don't have your glasses on. I assume the same goes for astronauts.
The funny thing, though, is that Rolex and Omega weren't originally luxury, non-expendable watches. They were made to be as dependable and reliable as possible. If you needed to know the time, you needed the most reliable, most waterproof, most rugged watch you could get.That's why people wore Rolexes for sailing and astronauts wore Speedy Pro's - because they were the best "tool watches" they could get.

Now? Sure. You can get a Casio G-shock that will keep better time, and be way more rugged, for a small fraction of the price.

BTW, BITD they were a lot less expensive, in terms of what people made. I don't know about the Speedy Pro, but in 1960 you could get an Omega Seamaster for under $175, which translates to about $1750 today. Nowadays, the cheapest Seamaster looks to be about $6600, almost 4x as much.
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Originally Posted by datlas
We had a really good ride today. It was windy but unseasonably warm for mid-February, we had 11 riders and, obviously, 100% fun.

My BB creak is still there, but my mechanic is feeling way too lazy to fix it atm.
I was going to go at lunch- but gusting to 30 is just too much, especially with the amount of close passes I’ve got the past few days. Plus, riding into that is no fun
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I was going to go at lunch- but gusting to 30 is just too much, especially with the amount of close passes I’ve got the past few days. Plus, riding into that is no fun
Gives you a chance to test out your aero position.
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I'm in a similar situation. Overcast ands 43º with 16 mph. winds. Everytime I walk out to the driveway, I say, 'nope, not going." But then I look at the trainer and think maybe I'll give it another hour to see if the winds drop a few mph and the temp goes up a degree or two. Not supposed to do either but there's always hope.
I live on the lower slope of a 4000 foot mountain. When I ride from here it's a bit of descending unless I go straight up the mountain. Today I started on the climb to try and warm up. I almost turned around to go home. Not warmed up and climbing into that wind, eeek. Managed to stay out for 1.5 hours until I got a slow leak in the rear tire.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
They made watches just for astronauts? That's a very small market. Seems like a basic digital watch like datlas' would have worked just fine.
The 1960s was still an analog world.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
The funny thing, though, is that Rolex and Omega weren't originally luxury, non-expendable watches. They were made to be as dependable and reliable as possible. If you needed to know the time, you needed the most reliable, most waterproof, most rugged watch you could get.That's why people wore Rolexes for sailing and astronauts wore Speedy Pro's - because they were the best "tool watches" they could get.

Now? Sure. You can get a Casio G-shock that will keep better time, and be way more rugged, for a small fraction of the price.

BTW, BITD they were a lot less expensive, in terms of what people made. I don't know about the Speedy Pro, but in 1960 you could get an Omega Seamaster for under $175, which translates to about $1750 today. Nowadays, the cheapest Seamaster looks to be about $6600, almost 4x as much.
Cheapest current Seamaster is about $5,600 and then the sky is the limit with a platinum/leather Planet Ocean going for $95,000.

Your point doesn't change though.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
You mean the basic digital watch that didn't exist at the time? I'm sure it would have. The "digital watches" of that era were basic mechanical watch movements with the hour and minute hands replaced by rotating discs, in a case with windows that only showed a small portion at a time. Like this:

Back in the late 50s/early 60s, NASA solicited watches from watch companies to test under a variety of harsh conditions, and the Omega Speedmaster Professional was the one that passed all the tests. Later, Bulova's Accutron also passed the tests, but the Speedy Pro was the one issued to the astronauts in the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs. IIRC, the guts of an Accutron were used as a timekeeping instrument in at least some of the capsules.

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Originally Posted by genejockey
Gives you a chance to test out your aero position.
I don't have an aero position.
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I knew how you bought the Madone. Might be time to get another bonus and buy more!

I would love another bonus.

I don’t know what new bikes would be instore for me. I could prolly convince the wife to let me get the kanzo at some point or the Echo becuase I can argue it’s a gravel bike.

As far as another road bike? Prolly would have to sell something first. If Ritchey comes out with ti again like the rep hinted then I would buy one of those. I think she would be okay with that, she knows how much I love my ritchey, plus she bought my first one. Plus the Ti ritchey would settle my desire for a Moots.

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Originally Posted by Mojo31
There is no market. They get them as part of their kit.
I doubt the manufacturer made them for free.
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Remember, the first battery-powered watches had only been introduced in 1957.
I'd have to previously know that to remember it.
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I don't have an aero position.

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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
I doubt the manufacturer made them for free.
I would not be surprised if Omega supplied them to NASA for free to get the publicity.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
I doubt the manufacturer made them for free.

I'd have to previously know that to remember it.

Don't do anything rash.

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Originally Posted by seedsbelize2
I found out, yesterday, what my upcoming surgery will be.. Fiddling with the retina (I now know what it is and what it does) and removing the cataract. I thought it would be scheduled yesterday but there is at least one more step.. It's amazing how these things drag out DougRNS . Looking through my paperwork I see the whole process began in the middle of July. Will the second eye take that long too? Then there's my ears--- I'm practically deaf on the right side
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So are you having retina surgery or lens replacements or both? I had a vitrectomy and a lens implant at the same time back in 2011.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
I would not be surprised if Omega supplied them to NASA for free to get the publicity.
I'd be somewhat surprised if a government agency were allowed to accept them.
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