jeez, guitars that are handmade in Australia with good wood -- must be cheap ;)

cost more than a BT

Very pretty. I've always wondered how a guitar made from a really dense aussie hardwood would sound. You'd need a crane or an engine lifter to hold it though :)

actually, there's a bit of controversy over the whole cholesterol theory, with some new stuff coming out in the last few years

http://www.thincs.org/members.htm
http://www.theomnivore.com/Index_references.html

there's more

Yep, made me want to kick the telly in when I first saw that... doco style so the plebs'll believe it. :rolleyes:

Never had a Strat, got a crappy Strat copy though. I was a bass man in a few bands back in the 80's/90's. Never liked P basses cos the necks were so wide but a Jazz Bass... mmmm my favourite. (sold it years ago to buy furniture)

Worst guitar I ever owned was a Vantage X.99. Absolute garbage, there was NOTHING good about them.

Vote for most toneless and most ridiculous looking guitar combined categories: Ibanez Phil Collins replica. Triple humbuckers, volume 0 or 10 (no in between), tone same across all pickups. I still bought one.

Most outta control guitar: Ibanez George Benson series. Fabulous guitar, ridiculously heavy (as in unplayable after 2 songs if you were standing), active tone controls had waaay to much grunt and were better referred to as active tone UNcontrols. :lol: Wish I hadn't sold that one. :(

Best utility guitar (after serious mods to remove design and manufacturing flaws) and best action (I see a flame war on the horizon): Vantage X.35 Avenger. This is the guitar I kept when I got married, and I still love playing it. Here's just some of the things that had to be fixed: earth loop hum, pickup bays unshielded, microphonic pickups, crap bridge, strap creak, crackly pots, crackly jack, ... I think I'll stop there. Still my favourite guitar :)

dudes, read my lips: don't be scared of eating meat. We've been eating animals for at least 150,000 years, but we've only been trying to digest grains for 10,000.

there are studies, and studies, and more studies, but the epidemiological stuff is the most intriguing. What about all them Eskimos who live on seal blubber and organs, but don't have heart disease? Or all the islanders who live on coccunut, without CHD?


http://www.theomnivore.com/sat-fat-chol-CHD.html

The Masai tribe of East Africa ate ~300g a day of mostly saturated fat, but were free of CHD.

The Samburu tribe, also of East Africa, virtually live on milk, consuming ~400g of sat fat a day through the wet season, but are free of CHD.

The people of the Pukapuka and Tokeluau Pacific atolls ate a bunch of coconuts, obtaining up to 53% of their daily calories from saturated fats, but were free of CHD.

And we all probably know about the French "paraodox", who, depsite eating more saturated fat than any other Western European country, have the lowest rates of CHD


"You may also be thinking that a high level of physical activity was responsible for the low rate of CHD amongst the aforementioned populations. The Masai, for example, walk up to 30 miles a day. That no doubt helped, but not because it was countering any purported harmful effects of saturated fat. After all, heavy physical activity did not help the population of North Karelia, Finland in the 1960's. Despite a high proportion of lumberjacks and farmers, residents of this isolated community suffered one of the highest CHD rates in the world. The population of St. Helena, where motorized transport was rare and the residents were forced to transverse the hilly landscape by foot, was also observed to suffer from a high rate of CHD. Fat consumption was relatively low in St. Helena, but sugar consumption was high (17).

"Perhaps you are thinking that the Masai, Samburu and Pacific islanders are blessed with some sort of genetic protection against the allegedly harmful effects of saturated fat. Hardly. Studies show that when the Masai migrate to Nairobi where they are exposed to a more "refined" diet and sedentary lifestyle, their cholesterol levels rise, discounting the proffered notion that their low cholesterol levels were a manifestation of some sort of advantageous genetic aberration (12). When Pukapuka and Tokeluau residents moved to New Zealand, where they were similarly exposed to processed foods and a more sedentary lifestyle, they experienced a marked increase of gout, diabetes and other degenerative disorders (13-16)"http://www.theomnivore.com/sat-fat-chol-CHD.html



"The incidence of acute myocardial infarction is seven times higher in southern India than in northern India; however, in southern India, dietary fat provides only 3.5 percent of total calories, 45 percent of which is polyunsaturated. In northern India, dietary fat provides 23 percent of total calories, only 2 percent of which is polyunsaturated.(3)
Ischemic heart disease is not a problem in populations whose diet derives over 45 percent of its total calories from coconut-derived fat.(4) The fat contained in the coconut is 95 percent saturated fat. This percentage of fat is even higher than butter and much higher than the common vegetable oils we currently use.
Before Western dietary habits were introduced into the Eskimo population, Eskimos lived almost exclusively on animal meat and animal fat. Yet the incidence of heart disease among the Eskimos was very low and cholesterol levels were below 200 mg.(5)"

http://www.arltma.com/CholMystDoc.htm


what it all basically says is that it ain't saturated fat or cholesterol causing arterial inflammation, but it's the lack of antioxidants, lack of exercise, smoking, stress, synthetic oils, poor omega 3:6 FA ratio

no worries, monday is full anyway, I have this 50min break before a uni lecture starts again.
But definately next time, I need to start stringing some longer rides together, all this sprinting to uni is beginnining to get boring.

Another topic:
Hey Expat, the lemond bag isnt very strong, the stabilizer strap broke to day. Lucky me mum is good with the sewing

Hey dont need to tell me, You're preaching to the coverted :D

Nice how you avoided the ethics and intellectual decision to eat meat there, Nev, as well as the fact that Sam Neil is rich enough to not need to do this sort of advertising. Wonder if he has some alterior motives? He probably owns a sheep farm and an abbatoir!

ethics shmethics. See how your ethics hold up if your stuck in the middle of Aus, have'nt eaten for 3 days, and a big fat pig crosses your path. Remember how those pretty little lingerie models on Survivor slaughtered and ate that hog coa they starving? I bet their vegy ethics were standing good and strong when they were in the States with a belly full of warm tofu.

There's obviously some horrible slaughtering going on around the world -- I nearly cried when I saw that cow on 60 minutes get its Achilles' slashed, then its eye sliced out while it was still alive, just to make it easier for the guy to put a hook in its eye socket and steer its head around -- but, like I suggested: put a bunch vegans in the bush and see how their ethics hold up when they start starving after a couple of days!! "Ethics are very convenient for the full of belly"

but can you explain about synethetic oils 9where they are found), whats omega? and whats a 3:6 FA ratio.

sorry for the triple post

Cholesterol is required for the manufacture of cell membranes, basic building blocks of the stress and sex hormones*, and bile.

Your body manufactures cholestrol in the liver in response to dietary intake of cholesterol. So if you lower your intake of lipids you body will get upset and just start creating some anyway.

Some ppl (like me, my father, his father, etc) have a natural predisposition to high total lipid counts. Grandad died at 87. Dad is 75, fit and healthy, and still ignoring the quacks. My total lipid count was >7.6mmol/l at age 17 (non-smoker, teetotal, peak fitness, very little body fat, diet not overly high in fats), and is still over 7.

* These include the male and female sex hormones (androgens and estrogens) as well as the adrenal corticoid hormones (cortisol, corticosterone, aldosterone, and others which are also the hormones of the Stress Mechanism).

i'll write any essay later (i need the practise), but I've gotta get to the bike shop then do me ride

there's some good stuff here, and it's fully referenced

http://www.theomnivore.com/home.html

so i take it over 7 is bad?

Geez, I thought I was in the wrong thread. Did someone cross "Training & Nutrition" with P&R? :p

Last time I looked we were sitting in front of our computers in our comfy loungrooms and offices, not in the middle of the bush starving. We leave that up to the thirld world as we force their governments to plant cash crops to pay off their debts etc. :rolleyes:

Anyway, can we stay away from the boring absolutism? Simply the act of making a decision based on morals and an intellectual process doesn't make you a crusader or beyond reproach. Who's arguing that? Just as I'm sure many vegetarians and vegans sometimes eat meat or sometimes wear things made from animal products (as I do) doesn't mean that people who do eat meat will hack and slash and eat anything that crosses their path, or feel guilty when they chomp on a carrot. Ethics are not absolute.

The only thing that is, is your love of cheap and nasty bike bargains and broken steel Cervelos! :D :p

Anyway, don't get me started.

Yet there is not a single reference to what a western meat based diet is doing to the rest of the globe.

Sorry, but I really couldn't be arsed listening to a well read meatheat who hasn't even bothered to get into the hows and whys of our diet any furthen than to find out "Will this diet make me fat?" or "I noticed it was becoming increasingly harder to maintain the lean, "ripped", vascular look that I had always prided myself on."

Selfish, shallow, and only looking for evidence to back up his own annecdotal ramblings.

NEXT! :p

I bet he still goes home on Sundays so his Nonna can cook him dinner! :lol:

sorry, I was being slack there with my abreviation

It's the ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fatty acids. Most westerners eat too much omega 6 -- mostly from polyunsaturates (stoopid hippy food) and not enough omega 3 (mostly found in fish oils), and this screws up our inflammatory and coagulation regulation. Basically, too little Omega 3 increases the risk of arterial inflammation.

not sure what you mean there.

what about the so-called "French Paradox"? They eat more saturated fat than ANY OTHER westernised country, but have the lowest rates of CHD!! If saturated is THE cause of CHD, why don't they get it? The best the statin-funded, indoctrinated can do is refer to it as a "paradox".


Anyway, I forgot to put in my usual disclaimer about Colpo's site, which is 'don't be put off by the Muscle Mag-type front page'. :) I wish he set his site up so it looked more scientific, and less macho.

Also, he's been published: http://www.jpands.org/vol10no3/colpo.pdf

Beat that!! :p

When you get published in The Journal of Steel is Real, let me know!! :D

eh...I'm not equipped to get into an animal rights 'discussion' with a lefto pinky -- espeically one who's smarter than me :p

ANYWAY, stuff all that rubbish.........

who reckons training on Cosmic Carbones on Beach Road is a toss?

Most Sundays, I see this peanut/hack, with no legs and a C50 with Cosmics, and he tries to torch me be sprinting up the road 50m, then puffing his guts out, dropping back, then trying again!! :p After doing this 3 times he turns off.

I bascially just want you all to say, "yeah, you're right, Nev -- he's a bonehead, and you're grouse" :p

:D

hey Ody, how long are them Eastern Vets road races on Satdee arvos?

C and D grade was 50km, A and B did 68ish. (rolling hills)
There were a coule of Southerns there.
The Saturday crits are just an hour.

I was always of the opinion that the whole training on Beach Rd thing was a toss.... :p