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So now i’m lifting, I ride my bike for about an hour after lifting for cardio purposes. I still hate running. I’ll see where this takes me.
Health and time-wise, this is a good routine.
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Assuming you had a physical exam and blood tests to make sure it’s nothing serious or evil, best advice is ride for fun and fitness, see where it takes you. If it’s not any fun, go hiking or some other medium intensity activity. If nothing is fun, go talk to someone about it.

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Assuming you had a physical exam and blood tests to make sure it’s nothing serious or evil, best advice is ride for fun and fitness, see where it takes you. If it’s not any fun, go hiking or some other medium intensity activity. If nothing is fun, go talk to someone about it.

Poke me if anything I can help with.

I think initially it was over training, from there is was frustration after frustration that kept stone walling me. From there I basically rode at zone 1 for a year which didn’t help. Then when I started training again, I couldn’t accept the fact I had regressed so was trying to do more than I physically could do and not understanding why I couldn’t do it.

Waking up at 3 am finally caught up to me, but it’s a catch 22. Traffic has picked up tremendously since we moved to Williamsburg, to the point I don’t feel safe if isn’t super early.

Riding solo all the time finally caught up to me. Have done one group ride in 2 years……

Route fatigue. Tired of the roads I have available to me, and the routes where I feel safe. Colonial Parkway is still closed to yorktown, going on 2 years.

Finally realized I won’t be able to race, not for a long time. What I want to do and what I realistically can do because of family and work are 2 different things. I kept adding to my “want” calendar when realistically I couldn’t do it. Led to a lot of anger and frustration. So once I accepted the fact I can’t race, I can’t do group rides etc kind of led to a massive what the f am I doing this for.


Have not gotten blood work done. Prolly, should but otherwise I feel fine. Just no motivation on the bike.
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Basically, 2 years ago something happened. Don’t know what. Was making awesome gains, ftp was the highest it had ever been, was on my way to have it above 300, and my body just snapped. Went from super strong to not being able to complete a work out. Months of fatigue just forcing myself to ride to ride. Everytime I thought I was getting out of it something would happen, I would get sick and feel like I was starting completely over again.

Cycling became a chore. I was forcing myself to do it and holding myself to some standard that I couldn’t meet. I got a coach and that seemed to help my moral, but then I got sick again.

Cant wrap my head around the fact I have continued to ride for the last 7 years, everyday that I possibly could with my job. I peaked at year 5, and then it’s like all my fitness everything I put in has just disappeared.

I can’t figure out if it’s in my head, if it’s physical, if I just lost the drive.

So now i’m lifting, I ride my bike for about an hour after lifting for cardio purposes. I still hate running. I’ll see where this takes me.
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Assuming you had a physical exam and blood tests to make sure it’s nothing serious or evil, best advice is ride for fun and fitness, see where it takes you. If it’s not any fun, go hiking or some other medium intensity activity. If nothing is fun, go talk to someone about it.

Poke me if anything I can help with.
I assume that it's because my MIL moved out of Williamsburg and I can no longer do extended riding visits. How could that kind of loss not make someone go in to an extended funk?
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I think initially it was over training, from there is was frustration after frustration that kept stone walling me. From there I basically rode at zone 1 for a year which didn’t help. Then when I started training again, I couldn’t accept the fact I had regressed so was trying to do more than I physically could do and not understanding why I couldn’t do it.

Waking up at 3 am finally caught up to me, but it’s a catch 22. Traffic has picked up tremendously since we moved to Williamsburg, to the point I don’t feel safe if isn’t super early.

Riding solo all the time finally caught up to me. Have done one group ride in 2 years……

Route fatigue. Tired of the roads I have available to me, and the routes where I feel safe. Colonial Parkway is still closed to yorktown, going on 2 years.
I feel ya on all of these points.
Having to work to hold a pace, that used to be easy, is frustrating.
Route fatigue is real - even though I'm only at ~1k miles this year, it's tedious to even think about riding through 10 miles of the same ol' corridors just to get out on to some of my longer, more enjoyable routes.
The occasional group ride helps, 'specially with the motivation just to get out, but I still prefer to do the bulk of my riding solo.
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I almost gave up on you. Sorry about the ankle. Remember the rule for swollen ankles. Some heat, ice, twist elevate (*****)
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How could that kind of loss not make someone go in to an extended funk?
What explains my extended funk?
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
I think initially it was over training, from there is was frustration after frustration that kept stone walling me. From there I basically rode at zone 1 for a year which didn’t help. Then when I started training again, I couldn’t accept the fact I had regressed so was trying to do more than I physically could do and not understanding why I couldn’t do it.

Waking up at 3 am finally caught up to me, but it’s a catch 22. Traffic has picked up tremendously since we moved to Williamsburg, to the point I don’t feel safe if isn’t super early.

Riding solo all the time finally caught up to me. Have done one group ride in 2 years……

Route fatigue. Tired of the roads I have available to me, and the routes where I feel safe. Colonial Parkway is still closed to yorktown, going on 2 years.

Finally realized I won’t be able to race, not for a long time. What I want to do and what I realistically can do because of family and work are 2 different things. I kept adding to my “want” calendar when realistically I couldn’t do it. Led to a lot of anger and frustration. So once I accepted the fact I can’t race, I can’t do group rides etc kind of led to a massive what the f am I doing this for.


Have not gotten blood work done. Prolly, should but otherwise I feel fine. Just no motivation on the bike.
An activity that's both physically and mentally taxing and trying to squeeze it in between work and other obligations is obviously a challenge. Burn out is real, can hit us when we least expect it. As you know, I've never raced but have done thousands of group rides where I am usually at the back or off the back. I've been frustrated and sick of it and just thinking about quitting many times. Lucky for me I've had friends who are supportive and say they don't mind waiting, even when they do.

I've also taken breaks from the groups and just gone solo and not pushed myself. Also got away from the road bike when really burned out and done fun mtb rides.

Other people I know have hit a wall when racing or getting obsessed with a million feet of climbing or the most double centuries or even the fastest club rider. I think once it's no longer fun or enjoyable and becomes a chore it's time to change something.
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Not really. I guess Golden Tempo was going the proper speed.

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I think initially it was over training, from there is was frustration after frustration that kept stone walling me. From there I basically rode at zone 1 for a year which didn’t help. Then when I started training again, I couldn’t accept the fact I had regressed so was trying to do more than I physically could do and not understanding why I couldn’t do it.

Waking up at 3 am finally caught up to me, but it’s a catch 22. Traffic has picked up tremendously since we moved to Williamsburg, to the point I don’t feel safe if isn’t super early.

Riding solo all the time finally caught up to me. Have done one group ride in 2 years……

Route fatigue. Tired of the roads I have available to me, and the routes where I feel safe. Colonial Parkway is still closed to yorktown, going on 2 years.

Finally realized I won’t be able to race, not for a long time. What I want to do and what I realistically can do because of family and work are 2 different things. I kept adding to my “want” calendar when realistically I couldn’t do it. Led to a lot of anger and frustration. So once I accepted the fact I can’t race, I can’t do group rides etc kind of led to a massive what the f am I doing this for.


Have not gotten blood work done. Prolly, should but otherwise I feel fine. Just no motivation on the bike.

All this training talk! We are not pro athletes counting on performance to deliver a paycheck.

Quit focusing on numbers, turn off Strava, leave the computer at home. Just go for a ride. Z1, Z2, who cares. Just have fun and enjoy being outside.

I've learned over the years that if you have to meet targets, then it is a chore and not fun or enjoyable.
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I assume that it's because my MIL moved out of Williamsburg and I can no longer do extended riding visits. How could that kind of loss not make someone go in to an extended funk?
It is actually all your fault.




Last thing and I won’t talk about it anymore. I got too caught up in the numbers. Every ride I would be stairing at power heart rate speed. Why is my HR too high this time, why is my heart rate so low but my legs are tired. I put out this much power but my speed is only this. Information over load, even though I have no Idea what I’m doing with the information.

My team has a group chat, and has grown this season with some heavy hitters. I’m happy the team is solid strong, but the chat has also filled with more noise. More talks of nutrition, when to eat what, training, aerodynamics. So much information and so much that these guys/gals are into where it just pushed me more out of the sport. My job I can’t train the way they train, i don’t want to change my diet constantly to the newest trend. I’m definitely not going to wear an aero bra. So if that’s what it takes to win….. I’m good.


Anyways. Prolly going to sell the ritchey. Havnt ridden it in a year, and there’s another bass i’m itching for. A purple Darkray.

Picked this bass up a couple weeks ago after I sold my hammerhead.

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All this training talk! We are not pro athletes counting on performance to deliver a paycheck.

Quit focusing on numbers, turn off Strava, leave the computer at home. Just go for a ride. Z1, Z2, who cares. Just have fun and enjoy being outside.

I've learned over the years that if you have to meet targets, then it is a chore and not fun or enjoyable.

you hit on what I was just typing.
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Last thing and I won’t talk about it anymore. I got too caught up in the numbers. Every ride I would be stairing at power heart rate speed. Why is my HR too high this time, why is my heart rate so low but my legs are tired. I put out this much power but my speed is only this. Information over load, even though I have no Idea what I’m doing with the information.

My team has a group chat, and has grown this season with some heavy hitters. I’m happy the team is solid strong, but the chat has also filled with more noise. More talks of nutrition, when to eat what, training, aerodynamics. So much information and so much that these guys/gals are into where it just pushed me more out of the sport. My job I can’t train the way they train, i don’t want to change my diet constantly to the newest trend. I’m definitely not going to wear an aero bra. So if that’s what it takes to win….. I’m good.


Anyways. Prolly going to sell the ritchey. Havnt ridden it in a year, and there’s another bass i’m itching for. A purple Darkray.

Picked this bass up a couple weeks ago after I sold my hammerhead.
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Basically, 2 years ago something happened. Don’t know what. Was making awesome gains, ftp was the highest it had ever been, was on my way to have it above 300, and my body just snapped. Went from super strong to not being able to complete a work out. Months of fatigue just forcing myself to ride to ride. Everytime I thought I was getting out of it something would happen, I would get sick and feel like I was starting completely over again.

Cycling became a chore. I was forcing myself to do it and holding myself to some standard that I couldn’t meet. I got a coach and that seemed to help my moral, but then I got sick again.

Cant wrap my head around the fact I have continued to ride for the last 7 years, everyday that I possibly could with my job. I peaked at year 5, and then it’s like all my fitness everything I put in has just disappeared.

I can’t figure out if it’s in my head, if it’s physical, if I just lost the drive.

So now i’m lifting, I ride my bike for about an hour after lifting for cardio purposes. I still hate running. I’ll see where this takes me.
It sounds like chronic over training syndrome. There has been quite a bit written about it. Here is just one. Cleveland Clinic
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Basically, 2 years ago something happened. Don’t know what. Was making awesome gains, ftp was the highest it had ever been, was on my way to have it above 300, and my body just snapped. Went from super strong to not being able to complete a work out. Months of fatigue just forcing myself to ride to ride. Everytime I thought I was getting out of it something would happen, I would get sick and feel like I was starting completely over again.

Cycling became a chore. I was forcing myself to do it and holding myself to some standard that I couldn’t meet. I got a coach and that seemed to help my moral, but then I got sick again.

Cant wrap my head around the fact I have continued to ride for the last 7 years, everyday that I possibly could with my job. I peaked at year 5, and then it’s like all my fitness everything I put in has just disappeared.

I can’t figure out if it’s in my head, if it’s physical, if I just lost the drive.

So now i’m lifting, I ride my bike for about an hour after lifting for cardio purposes. I still hate running. I’ll see where this takes me.
The fatigue and frequent bouts of illness sound like everything I've read about overtraining. If it IS overtraining, then it's both physical AND in your head, because what goes on in your head is not really separate from what goes on in your body.

When I got into cycling as an adult, I spent maybe 7 years building up fitness, riding farther and farther, eventually joining a club and doing their group rides every Saturday and Sunday, which I did for two years. I was never able to get myself to spend much time on the trainer in the winter, so I'd lay off for a month or so, and start up again in February/March.

Well, after 2 years of 2 group rides a week with PenVelo, getting faster and stronger and even able to hold onto the racers for most of the ride, the next Spring I just didn't start up again. I think I was off the bike for an entire year, maybe 2 (this was 25 years ago, so I'm a little vague). I just didn't find myself needing or wanting to ride. After a few years I gradually got back into it, and I've stayed with it, though for years it wasn't more than 1500 miles a year, and then the last 6 years a whole lot more, but I've avoided the high intensity of fast group rides or heavy training, and for me that has kept the joy in it.

No idea what will work for you. Everybody's different. It was never about competition for me, and the numbers have never been anything I obsess on.
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All this training talk! We are not pro athletes counting on performance to deliver a paycheck.

Quit focusing on numbers, turn off Strava, leave the computer at home. Just go for a ride. Z1, Z2, who cares. Just have fun and enjoy being outside.

I've learned over the years that if you have to meet targets, then it is a chore and not fun or enjoyable.
I haven’t used a computer on a road bike in over a decade. I use one on the touring bike for reasons of navigation and to know how far I have left in the day.
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All this training talk! We are not pro athletes counting on performance to deliver a paycheck.

Quit focusing on numbers, turn off Strava, leave the computer at home. Just go for a ride. Z1, Z2, who cares. Just have fun and enjoy being outside.

I've learned over the years that if you have to meet targets, then it is a chore and not fun or enjoyable.
Agree. That said, some cyclists seem more motivated by “winning” or some sort of performance metric. One of the guys on the Saturday ride is like that. We had a good ride yesterday. Today was a social recovery ride. I encouraged him to join but he insisted he had to do his “recovery/zone 2 ride” on his trainer. We had a sunny and fun ride, which was 100% joy (for me) but clearly we are all wired a little differently.
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