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Old 03-05-08 | 09:53 AM
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The Italians can do some amazing work when it deals with hand-rafted items. Things produced on an assembly line, not so much.

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Old 03-05-08 | 09:58 AM
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Nah, people stopped laughing in the early 1970's after the release of the Honda 750 Four and the Kawasaki H2 and Z1 (they dominated GP racing from about then as well). They were still laughing at Japanese cars up until the late 1970's though.
And some people still have that mindset from 30 years ago.

(I didn't realize the irony of that statement until I looked up at GlassWolf's post just above this... ignorant people everywhere, I guess)
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The Italians can do some amazing work when it deals with hand-rafted items. Things produced on an assembly line, not so much.

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PS, I still laugh at Japanese cars, though.

That's ok. Everyone else laughs at American cars. Truly.
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Old 03-05-08 | 10:02 AM
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I should have mentioned, I'm a drag racer. My car is American, it is over 40 years old, and it's still faster than anything I've met at the strip from Japan.

They do make nice commuter cars, but so boring.

also, Michael, ignorance is assuming you know anything about me at all, shooter.

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Old 03-05-08 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GlassWolf
I should have mentioned, I'm a drag racer. My car is American, it is over 40 years old, and it's still faster than anything I've met at the strip from Japan.

They do make nice commuter cars, but so boring.

also, Michael, iignorance is assuming you know anything about me at all, shooter.

It's too bad people don't commute in dragsters then. Rallying and touring car races seem to be the only racing that actually uses 'real world' cars.

There are some pretty cool Japanese cars out there (WRX, Legacy, GTR, EVO etc...), but the best cars are still European IMO.
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Old 03-05-08 | 10:22 AM
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Old 03-05-08 | 10:34 AM
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for what it's worth, my car is fully street legal, and runs on pump gas. still makes over a thousand horsepower. over 700 n/a. Not too bad for a car I built from the ground up myself.

that aside though, my initial comment about Japanese cars was made in humor, which some people failed entirely at understanding. I still rather like the NSX for a car that's over a decade old. Not the fastest thing, but definitely sexy. I just prefer old school V8s, sans computers, because they're so easy to work on. I don't have to drag the car to a dealer every time something breaks, like with most modern OBD II cars.

The one drawback to driving my car on the street however, is 5MPG.
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Old 03-05-08 | 10:45 AM
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It has nothing to do with italian pixie dust it has everything to do with things being hand made in small batches by a small company. I don't care if it's italy, france, america, canada its the size of the batchs and the amount they are required to make per day that dictate the quality to me.

As far as setting up a clean room in italy being an issue as far as i know a HUGE amount of italian companies go totally under the government radar in that country.

Made in small batches by a small company dosent = quality
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Old 03-05-08 | 10:47 AM
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for what it's worth, my car is fully street legal, and runs on pump gas. still makes over a thousand horsepower. over 700 n/a. Not too bad for a car I built from the ground up myself.

that aside though, my initial comment about Japanese cars was made in humor, which some people failed entirely at understanding. I still rather like the NSX for a car that's over a decade old. Not the fastest thing, but definitely sexy. I just prefer old school V8s, sans computers, because they're so easy to work on. I don't have to drag the car to a dealer every time something breaks, like with most modern OBD II cars.

The one drawback to driving my car on the street however, is 5MPG.
You rockin' a mustang? I can respect building a car yourself, but not picking the NSX as the one japanese car you can stand (j/k ). I'm no fan of the "throw a coffee can on your mom's civic and run 16s at the drag stip" mentality, but I can say that the one reasonably powerful japanese car I owned (and rebuilt) was a blast.
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Old 03-05-08 | 12:29 PM
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You rockin' a mustang? I can respect building a car yourself, but not picking the NSX as the one japanese car you can stand (j/k ). I'm no fan of the "throw a coffee can on your mom's civic and run 16s at the drag stip" mentality, but I can say that the one reasonably powerful japanese car I owned (and rebuilt) was a blast.
I had a 280Z I adored.. I'm really not that closed minded. It's just fun to tease the import fans from time to time. I've seen an Evo and STi run against a Lamborghini, and beat it around a track, so yeah, they are very respectable in all honesty.

I hve a '66 dodge charger, actually. I'm a mopar guy at heart.





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When I had dinner last night, I ate off of china. And it wasn't the "good china", either. It was the regular china. We only get the good china out for special occasions.

This one time I spilt my entire plate of American Chinese food on my Oriental rug. The plate was pretty good china too, but made in the UK just to save on mfg costs.
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Nah, people stopped laughing in the early 1970's after the release of the Honda 750 Four and the Kawasaki H2 and Z1 (they dominated GP racing from about then as well). They were still laughing at Japanese cars up until the late 1970's though.
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Old 03-05-08 | 08:20 PM
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I should have mentioned, I'm a drag racer. My car is American, it is over 40 years old, and it's still faster than anything I've met at the strip from Japan.
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America makes torque, Japan makes handling and hp.

Plus with the NSX, you can stop by Uncle Ed's on the way to work.
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Old 03-05-08 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GlassWolf
The Italians can do some amazing work when it deals with hand-rafted items. Things produced on an assembly line, not so much.

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PS, I still laugh at Japanese cars, though.
Having been soundly beaten by the Japanese at making cars, we need to direct our laughter at the Chinese.
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heheh yeah even the Koreans are making good cars now. they're where Honda was in the 80s and 90s now, and gaining fast. The Chinese, while making total ****e for now, will gain much faster with their resources and sheer size.

also, I brake for cyclists!
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Old 03-06-08 | 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by photonick
Please enlighten me botto i mean if you can tear yourself away from your delightful and useless terse wit for a second.

Why is a pinarello prince worth 5k when its mass made in a factory by a company that distributes to a handful of companies. Is it the quality of the frame or the name and association with hand built in italy.

Some people dont pay 5k...people in asia who has connections buy it for far less...like its too low to write in english....but in an asian language you may even get a free chinese noodle takeaway for your 1k!!!!

Those who dont know the right people pay 5k...that means the 98% of cyclists...
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Some people dont pay 5k...people in asia who has connections buy it for far less...like its too low to write in english....but in an asian language you may even get a free chinese noodle takeaway for your 1k!!!!

Those who dont know the right people pay 5k...that means the 98% of cyclists...
I guess "some people" don't mind buying it from the back of the factory with no warranty or support. You can call this "connections" but in my mind it's tantamount to theft.
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Originally Posted by BHBiker
Some people dont pay 5k...people in asia who has connections buy it for far less...like its too low to write in english....but in an asian language you may even get a free chinese noodle takeaway for your 1k!!!!

Those who dont know the right people pay 5k...that means the 98% of cyclists...
uh, grammar please
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uh, grammar please
I'm guessing English is not the poster's first language.
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His English is better than my Pinyin or Mandarin.
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Old 03-06-08 | 10:06 AM
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Generally, people associate Italians with craftsmanship and fine attention to detail ...
Clearly you have never owned or driven an Alfa Romeo or Fiat. They look great, but the engineering and production quality, not so hot.
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Old 03-06-08 | 10:36 AM
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Clearly, your reading comprehension skills are compromised
Did you see my other comment?

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While Italy does turn out some wonderfully hand crafted goods, China has a few thousand years' history of doing the same. I was remarking on common perceptions however, not my somewhat more enlightened views, sans stereotypes.
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I'm guessing English is not the poster's first language.

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