pinarello made in the orient?
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The Italians can do some amazing work when it deals with hand-rafted items. Things produced on an assembly line, not so much.
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PS, I still laugh at Japanese cars, though.
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PS, I still laugh at Japanese cars, though.
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(I didn't realize the irony of that statement until I looked up at GlassWolf's post just above this... ignorant people everywhere, I guess)
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I should have mentioned, I'm a drag racer. My car is American, it is over 40 years old, and it's still faster than anything I've met at the strip from Japan.
They do make nice commuter cars, but so boring.
also, Michael, ignorance is assuming you know anything about me at all, shooter.
They do make nice commuter cars, but so boring.
also, Michael, ignorance is assuming you know anything about me at all, shooter.
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I should have mentioned, I'm a drag racer. My car is American, it is over 40 years old, and it's still faster than anything I've met at the strip from Japan.
They do make nice commuter cars, but so boring.
also, Michael, iignorance is assuming you know anything about me at all, shooter.
They do make nice commuter cars, but so boring.
also, Michael, iignorance is assuming you know anything about me at all, shooter.
It's too bad people don't commute in dragsters then. Rallying and touring car races seem to be the only racing that actually uses 'real world' cars.
There are some pretty cool Japanese cars out there (WRX, Legacy, GTR, EVO etc...), but the best cars are still European IMO.
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for what it's worth, my car is fully street legal, and runs on pump gas. still makes over a thousand horsepower. over 700 n/a. Not too bad for a car I built from the ground up myself.
that aside though, my initial comment about Japanese cars was made in humor, which some people failed entirely at understanding. I still rather like the NSX for a car that's over a decade old. Not the fastest thing, but definitely sexy. I just prefer old school V8s, sans computers, because they're so easy to work on. I don't have to drag the car to a dealer every time something breaks, like with most modern OBD II cars.
The one drawback to driving my car on the street however, is 5MPG.
that aside though, my initial comment about Japanese cars was made in humor, which some people failed entirely at understanding. I still rather like the NSX for a car that's over a decade old. Not the fastest thing, but definitely sexy. I just prefer old school V8s, sans computers, because they're so easy to work on. I don't have to drag the car to a dealer every time something breaks, like with most modern OBD II cars.
The one drawback to driving my car on the street however, is 5MPG.
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It has nothing to do with italian pixie dust it has everything to do with things being hand made in small batches by a small company. I don't care if it's italy, france, america, canada its the size of the batchs and the amount they are required to make per day that dictate the quality to me.
As far as setting up a clean room in italy being an issue as far as i know a HUGE amount of italian companies go totally under the government radar in that country.
As far as setting up a clean room in italy being an issue as far as i know a HUGE amount of italian companies go totally under the government radar in that country.
Made in small batches by a small company dosent = quality
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for what it's worth, my car is fully street legal, and runs on pump gas. still makes over a thousand horsepower. over 700 n/a. Not too bad for a car I built from the ground up myself.
that aside though, my initial comment about Japanese cars was made in humor, which some people failed entirely at understanding. I still rather like the NSX for a car that's over a decade old. Not the fastest thing, but definitely sexy. I just prefer old school V8s, sans computers, because they're so easy to work on. I don't have to drag the car to a dealer every time something breaks, like with most modern OBD II cars.
The one drawback to driving my car on the street however, is 5MPG.

that aside though, my initial comment about Japanese cars was made in humor, which some people failed entirely at understanding. I still rather like the NSX for a car that's over a decade old. Not the fastest thing, but definitely sexy. I just prefer old school V8s, sans computers, because they're so easy to work on. I don't have to drag the car to a dealer every time something breaks, like with most modern OBD II cars.
The one drawback to driving my car on the street however, is 5MPG.

). I'm no fan of the "throw a coffee can on your mom's civic and run 16s at the drag stip" mentality, but I can say that the one reasonably powerful japanese car I owned (and rebuilt) was a blast.
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You rockin' a mustang? I can respect building a car yourself, but not picking the NSX as the one japanese car you can stand (j/k
). I'm no fan of the "throw a coffee can on your mom's civic and run 16s at the drag stip" mentality, but I can say that the one reasonably powerful japanese car I owned (and rebuilt) was a blast.
). I'm no fan of the "throw a coffee can on your mom's civic and run 16s at the drag stip" mentality, but I can say that the one reasonably powerful japanese car I owned (and rebuilt) was a blast.I hve a '66 dodge charger, actually. I'm a mopar guy at heart.


#61
This one time I spilt my entire plate of American Chinese food on my Oriental rug. The plate was pretty good china too, but made in the UK just to save on mfg costs.
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Compare button starting a CBX-6, Vs push starting a Moto Guzzi.
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#64
Plus with the NSX, you can stop by Uncle Ed's on the way to work.
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#65
Having been soundly beaten by the Japanese at making cars, we need to direct our laughter at the Chinese.
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heheh yeah even the Koreans are making good cars now. they're where Honda was in the 80s and 90s now, and gaining fast. The Chinese, while making total ****e for now, will gain much faster with their resources and sheer size.
also, I brake for cyclists!
also, I brake for cyclists!
#67
Please enlighten me botto i mean if you can tear yourself away from your delightful and useless terse wit for a second.
Why is a pinarello prince worth 5k when its mass made in a factory by a company that distributes to a handful of companies. Is it the quality of the frame or the name and association with hand built in italy.
Why is a pinarello prince worth 5k when its mass made in a factory by a company that distributes to a handful of companies. Is it the quality of the frame or the name and association with hand built in italy.
Some people dont pay 5k...people in asia who has connections buy it for far less...like its too low to write in english....but in an asian language you may even get a free chinese noodle takeaway for your 1k!!!!
Those who dont know the right people pay 5k...that means the 98% of cyclists...
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Some people dont pay 5k...people in asia who has connections buy it for far less...like its too low to write in english....but in an asian language you may even get a free chinese noodle takeaway for your 1k!!!!
Those who dont know the right people pay 5k...that means the 98% of cyclists...
Those who dont know the right people pay 5k...that means the 98% of cyclists...
#69
Some people dont pay 5k...people in asia who has connections buy it for far less...like its too low to write in english....but in an asian language you may even get a free chinese noodle takeaway for your 1k!!!!
Those who dont know the right people pay 5k...that means the 98% of cyclists...
Those who dont know the right people pay 5k...that means the 98% of cyclists...
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Clearly, your reading comprehension skills are compromised 
Did you see my other comment?
Fix
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While Italy does turn out some wonderfully hand crafted goods, China has a few thousand years' history of doing the same. I was remarking on common perceptions however, not my somewhat more enlightened views, sans stereotypes.

Did you see my other comment?
Fix
It
Again,
Tony!
While Italy does turn out some wonderfully hand crafted goods, China has a few thousand years' history of doing the same. I was remarking on common perceptions however, not my somewhat more enlightened views, sans stereotypes.





