Dealing with elitists
#101
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What do you think they owe you?
The bottom line is all of those other riders are doing this for the fun of it. If a new rider, who looks like they're not going to fit into the group, shows up it puts them in a difficult position:
1. They can pretend that everything's OK and ride-on as they would otherwise. The problem with this it makes me (for one) feel bad.
2. They can ride at the slowest rider's pace. That's not any fun.
3. They can designate a "baby sitter" to keep pace with the slow rider or take turns being the "baby sitter".
What do you expect from them?
The bottom line is all of those other riders are doing this for the fun of it. If a new rider, who looks like they're not going to fit into the group, shows up it puts them in a difficult position:
1. They can pretend that everything's OK and ride-on as they would otherwise. The problem with this it makes me (for one) feel bad.
2. They can ride at the slowest rider's pace. That's not any fun.
3. They can designate a "baby sitter" to keep pace with the slow rider or take turns being the "baby sitter".
What do you expect from them?
Options:
1) Sorry, our group has decided we are "full". Of course, if you opt to do this, stop advertising your ride.
2) We are sorry, but our group is "invitation only" and then, only after a member rides with you a while to verify your SAFETY practices are sufficient. Nothing against you, but we use advanced techniques and will be trusting you with our safety, like you will be trusting us with yours. We can arrange for a member to join you for a 20 mile ride very soon.
3) First time riders stay at the rear on day 1 unless invited to move up. You don't get dropped, you're in.
#103
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From: South Jersey
I agree with the charity ride idea. my only experience in riding with a group (more than 2) was at a 2 day charity ride and in the begining you see every type of bike known to man, after about 20 miles you are seperated into where you belong and it in turn is really good practice (assuming you can control yourself) for joining pacelines and such with no stings attached.
People initially gave the hybrid i was riding alot of looks, but then all the people with the expensive bikes enjoy the draft you give by being big and upright on a hybrid after about 50 miles of proving you can keep up. I only enjoyed one silghtly derogetory comment about my "mountain bike".
also now is the right time of the year to join. if you wait a few weeks everyone will be fit and trying to catch up in fitness level will be difficult. (this is assuming you live some place with seasons, and the current one is cold)
People initially gave the hybrid i was riding alot of looks, but then all the people with the expensive bikes enjoy the draft you give by being big and upright on a hybrid after about 50 miles of proving you can keep up. I only enjoyed one silghtly derogetory comment about my "mountain bike".
also now is the right time of the year to join. if you wait a few weeks everyone will be fit and trying to catch up in fitness level will be difficult. (this is assuming you live some place with seasons, and the current one is cold)
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#107
#108
Have any of these been covered?
Don't worry about what bike you have.
Learn to ride in a pack.
All roadies are a-holes.
Quit being a crybaby Fred.
I can hang on with my old mountain bike w/ slicks on the A rides.
Join the C group first.
I ride alone so I don't have those problems.
Troll alert.
#110
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From: Portland, OR
I knew I would miss all the fun. I went shopping with my daughters today. When I came back all the 'yada yada yada' multiplied to 5 pages.
Have any of these been covered?
Don't worry about what bike you have.
Learn to ride in a pack.
All roadies are a-holes.
Quit being a crybaby Fred.
I can hang on with my old mountain bike w/ slicks on the A rides.
Join the C group first.
I ride alone so I don't have those problems.
Troll alert.
Have any of these been covered?
Don't worry about what bike you have.
Learn to ride in a pack.
All roadies are a-holes.
Quit being a crybaby Fred.
I can hang on with my old mountain bike w/ slicks on the A rides.
Join the C group first.
I ride alone so I don't have those problems.
Troll alert.
#111
#113
Well, here's my elitism moment last Saturday. Two new guys joined the group (Me and Fred). Fred was dropped on the first hill. I dropped all but one at the end of the 80 mile hammerfest. Guess who was accepted?
Right! They went back to find Fred at the coffee shop and handed me a Go F-yourself Card for the next ride.
Right! They went back to find Fred at the coffee shop and handed me a Go F-yourself Card for the next ride.
#114
Well, here's my elitism moment last Saturday. Two new guys joined the group (Me and Fred). Fred was dropped on the first hill. I dropped all but one at the end of the 80 mile hammerfest. Guess who was accepted?
Right! They went back to find Fred at the coffee shop and handed me a Go F-yourself Card for the next ride.
Right! They went back to find Fred at the coffee shop and handed me a Go F-yourself Card for the next ride.
#116
That was my standard accessory when I was riding in NorCal during winter. As for OP, it's also what attitude you bring to the club. Sometimes it can be just in your head.
Stuff like this cracks me up...and not you, but this thing about clubs, both social and racing where if you don't appear to have "the gear" you are immediately branded.
I love guys that come into the shop and announce that they are "Ride Leaders" like it's an award or something they've earned...LOL...
FWIW, I know a bunch of pretty decent racers that, when the weather is bad put clip-on fenders on their bikes for the very reason you indicated. To keep their nice stuff as nice as they can when riding in lousy conditions. Funny...Zabel endorses a brand of clip-on fenders that will fit on a race bike.
Taking off the fenders and rack...I've told this story before about the young studs that "broke away" on a training ride and were run down by an ex-pro on a cyclocross bike, with cross tires, fenders, rack, and a tent on the rack held on with bungi-cords.
But any weight you can comfortably remove will make your ride more pleasent, unless it's raining and then leave the fenders on.
People need to lighten up...
I love guys that come into the shop and announce that they are "Ride Leaders" like it's an award or something they've earned...LOL...
FWIW, I know a bunch of pretty decent racers that, when the weather is bad put clip-on fenders on their bikes for the very reason you indicated. To keep their nice stuff as nice as they can when riding in lousy conditions. Funny...Zabel endorses a brand of clip-on fenders that will fit on a race bike.
Taking off the fenders and rack...I've told this story before about the young studs that "broke away" on a training ride and were run down by an ex-pro on a cyclocross bike, with cross tires, fenders, rack, and a tent on the rack held on with bungi-cords.
But any weight you can comfortably remove will make your ride more pleasent, unless it's raining and then leave the fenders on.
People need to lighten up...
#118
group riding is overrated, just ignore those bast4rds.
here in seattle you pretty much MUST HAVE at least a full rear fender (w/ extension flap) to go on any serious group rides, it saves those behind you from being sprayed.
here in seattle you pretty much MUST HAVE at least a full rear fender (w/ extension flap) to go on any serious group rides, it saves those behind you from being sprayed.
#119
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#120
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My best friends on my team are my toughest competitors when we ride together. We had a 70 mile hammerfest last Saturday where we all tore each other to shreds. No race scheduled for this weekend in Oregon meant that we all got to wail on each other for a while after three straight weeks of weekend racing where half the team wanted to take it easy.
Then we sat down afterwards at the coffee shop and laughed at each other's stories of the day.
And when it comes time to race, we know each other's strengths and weaknesses so we can ride effectively as a team.
This is why I ride. For the experience of trying to hold the wheel of a person two Cats above me up a hill or beat them to a town line sprint. For pushing my limits to pull the group at 20 mph into a 25 mph headwind. There is nothing like the end of the ride, talking with friends, exhausted after a hard ride, telling each other stories about the last race or how hard that hill was or how difficult it was to see the group you wanted to stay with ride off without you.
Then we sat down afterwards at the coffee shop and laughed at each other's stories of the day.
And when it comes time to race, we know each other's strengths and weaknesses so we can ride effectively as a team.
This is why I ride. For the experience of trying to hold the wheel of a person two Cats above me up a hill or beat them to a town line sprint. For pushing my limits to pull the group at 20 mph into a 25 mph headwind. There is nothing like the end of the ride, talking with friends, exhausted after a hard ride, telling each other stories about the last race or how hard that hill was or how difficult it was to see the group you wanted to stay with ride off without you.
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#121
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Hi, I'm a young man of 19 who recently got into cycling (been planning on a long tour this summer). I recently moved, and decided to ride with the local cycling club. Not one of them but has a carbon or aluminum-and-carbon road bike, while I have a steel touring bike with fenders, a rear rack, and a Brooks saddle. Before we even started riding, I got the feeling that I was "not wanted." Sure, I've just moved with a 5000ft elevation increase, and I've slacked off in the winter so I'm not in shape yet, but if I were, wouldn't I be able to keep up with the rest of them? It's not a race after all. So what's to be hostile about?
And just in case it will help--how much of a speed difference would it make to remove my fenders and rear rack? I like my fenders because it keeps grit out of my drive train, and it would be a real drag to remove that stuff every week end, so I'd only do so if it were to make a difference.
And just in case it will help--how much of a speed difference would it make to remove my fenders and rear rack? I like my fenders because it keeps grit out of my drive train, and it would be a real drag to remove that stuff every week end, so I'd only do so if it were to make a difference.
#122
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From: Brooklyn
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That poor Trek 1000! Sniff... And by the looks of the bar wrap, that person is riding the heck out that poor bike.
To the OP, from one Fred to another, it's better to gain respect with fenders than to shed them, and your rack, and your large seat bag, and your cut-offs and still get dropped and still no respect.
Was it LeMond who was asked, "How did you do it?" "I ride my bike. Ride my bike. Ride my bike. Ride my bike. Ride my bike. Ride my bike... r..i..d...e... my...bi..ke........."
In defense of the pace group, have you ever rode a line with even one other rider and know the rules, calls and signals? A group at your appropriate level will provide the training with less pressure and danger to learn the etiquette and rules of high-speed group road riding. It's intense and yes, dangerous.
Best of luck.
Last edited by BrooklynRider; 03-24-08 at 06:50 PM.
#123
I don't know if you guys feel the same but if a guy shows up wearing an overcoat with a bike with fenders, I am thinking he may have a bomb. If I suspect that, I ride with my Kevlar vest. I normally feel better if they have a couple of cards clothespinned in their spokes
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