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1. No they didn't.Originally Posted by kimconyc
Ford invented the automobile. Look where they are now?
2. I beat you to it.
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2. I beat you to it.
I just go by what our commander-in-chief says. Everyone else seems to do the same Originally Posted by timmyquest
1. No they didn't.2. I beat you to it.

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Do speedplays get hot spots more than other pedals? It looks like they have a smaller contact area (just from pictures).
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Speedplay X/2 has the most reviews and a pretty good rating on roadbikereview.com... Must mean they are the best right?
I personally like the Look pedals. I had some old Look pedals and I've tried a Nashbar knock off. They were easy to clip in/out and never came unclipped accidentally. I've never tried any Speedplays.
I personally like the Look pedals. I had some old Look pedals and I've tried a Nashbar knock off. They were easy to clip in/out and never came unclipped accidentally. I've never tried any Speedplays.
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I started with speedplays and they worked so I stuck with them so I have nothing to compare with, except for toe-clips. But I did get a hotspot a while back in my left foot and found out that the cleat platform had shifted away from the ball of my foot toward my toes. You just have to make sure the cleat screws are on tight every 1K miles or so. And regrease the pedals every 2-3K or so, at least that's what I do.Originally Posted by Vermont22
Do speedplays get hot spots more than other pedals? It looks like they have a smaller contact area (just from pictures).
Once you click in, the cleat + pedal sort of mesh to create a fairly large mashing area.
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IMO, Time ATAC is the best system, but there is not a road version, hence LOOK (alikes) on my road bike.
Also too bad that Time ATAC mtn pedals have crappy bushing/bearings that wear out too dang quickly.
The ATAC cleat is captive on two rails; the spring rail is against the stop. It's simple, and secure. Clipin is auto.
The LOOK also has the sprung portion against the stop; it is simple and positive. The cleats and parts are easy to find.
Also too bad that Time ATAC mtn pedals have crappy bushing/bearings that wear out too dang quickly.
The ATAC cleat is captive on two rails; the spring rail is against the stop. It's simple, and secure. Clipin is auto.
The LOOK also has the sprung portion against the stop; it is simple and positive. The cleats and parts are easy to find.
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Speedplay X.
They actually have a very large platform, because the platform is the cleat. As a long-distance cyclist, this is an important consideration.
The free-float of the X system frees up natural gait, especially out of the saddle. It feels to me like I get more muscle to the pedal.
They actually have a very large platform, because the platform is the cleat. As a long-distance cyclist, this is an important consideration.
The free-float of the X system frees up natural gait, especially out of the saddle. It feels to me like I get more muscle to the pedal.
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I love my Times and have no plans to change them, but if there was one thing they are not so good at it is ease of clipping in.Originally Posted by gpelpel
I have been on the Time for the last 2.5 years and can't remember a missed re-entry.
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I will never ride anything else.
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Look invented the clipless pedal. I was riding Look clipless before some of you were born.I will never ride anything else.
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That said, I've been using Look pedals for at least 20 years and have been satisfied with them.
I was going to point out that Cinelli tried them once upon a time too but I've been beaten to the punch. I have to agree with RW otherwise though. I've been riding them since 1988-89 or so and I think I still have that 1st pair somewhere.Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
They invented the modern clipless pedal, but that wasn't the first clipless pedal. The early 1970s Cinelli M71 "Widowmaker" comes to mind:
That said, I've been using Look pedals for at least 20 years and have been satisfied with them.
I do not worry about weight when it comes to saddles (San Marco Regal) or pedals.
Not to say other pedals aren't fine but I'm sticking with what I know.
For those of you who don't remember or never experienced the "joy" of clips and straps you'll never understand how big a revelation those 1st Looks were.


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hmm, I use crank bros eggbeater SL pedals on my caad9 6, but I haven't tried any other type of pedal. I always see the look keo pedals on road bikes though, what's the deal with that? Do most people use the eggbeaters for MTB?? I like the fact that it has 4 entry points which allows me to clip in very easily.
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The X cleat is bad if you ever step into mud, so keep cleat covers handy if that is a possibility.
The spring used in the Zero and Light Action is less likely to be fouled by dirtOriginally Posted by DaveSSS
I rode Look pedals for years, starting back when they were first introduced, but switched to Speedplay X-2 about 10 years ago. I've had no problerms with the full float and much prefer the double-sided entry that I can click into without looking at the pedal. I've had no cleat problems, as long as I occassionally check the tightness of the mounting screws. Few pedals have a stack height that is as low as a Speedplay, particularly if you have shoes with the 4-bolt pattern that eliminates the 3-hole adapter.The X cleat is bad if you ever step into mud, so keep cleat covers handy if that is a possibility.
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I always used to recommend speedplay, but whenever I did, I mentioned you need to choose your shoes carefully. Speedplay goes best with certain shoes. I hated having to use shims and adapter kits to get them to fit, and the shoes need to be really stiff.
I use Shimano shoes which are really stiff and not too expensive either. If I could find a shoe as good that had a four bolt pattern for my Speedplay pedals, I would never use any other shoe or pedal.Originally Posted by borg
I went from Look to Speedplay to Shimano SPD-SL. I used Speedplay for many years until I switched shoes to the Sidi Genius 5.5 which aren't as stiff as other shoes I have used. The pedal shoe combination was causing my shoes to twist. When I switched to SPD-SL, this went away presumably due to the larger platform. I am very happy with the SPD-SL and don't plan to go back.I always used to recommend speedplay, but whenever I did, I mentioned you need to choose your shoes carefully. Speedplay goes best with certain shoes. I hated having to use shims and adapter kits to get them to fit, and the shoes need to be really stiff.
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I get terrible hotspots from pedals with triangular shaped cleats (Look, Time, etc.), and from the very small contact area of most SPD's (yes, even with carbon soles). So it's SpeedPlay for me. I like the Zero's.
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Kesa101: how did you touch your pedal down while taking a corner? Inside pedal is up while cornering no?
No...he's a "pro-am"....learn from him.Originally Posted by Chris R.
Whoops, did not see the above post with the Pinto. Sorry about that.Kesa101: how did you touch your pedal down while taking a corner? Inside pedal is up while cornering no?

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Originally Posted by kimconyc
Ford invented the automobile. Look where they are now?
No they/he (if you are making an attempt at referring to Henry) didn't.
The first vehicle that could be self-propelled was invented by a guy named Nicolas Cugnot in 1725. It was powered by steam.
Karl Benz and Gottleib Daimler are credited with the invention of the car.
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Henry Ford invented the assembly line. As a result, he was able to make his cars more affordably. Thus, "regular" people could afford them.
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I rode Speedplays for 10+ years. Switched to Keos about two years ago. I do prefer the Keos.Originally Posted by kesa101
i`ve tried them all, trust me, speedplays rock the house.
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That seals it.Originally Posted by patentcad
I rode Speedplays for 10+ years. Switched to Keos about two years ago. I do prefer the Keos.
End of thread.
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+10 on Speedplay Zero
i switched from 4+ years on Ultegra SPD-SL to Speedplay Zero stainless steel pedals ~10 months ago, ~7000+km later, no regrets. Here are the reasons Zero pedal (IMO) is better than SPD-SL and Keo.
1. zero float or plenty of float, you choose how much float you like. I like a lot.
2. double sided entry
3. more q-factor adjustment than either SPD-SL or Keo offers
4. q-factor and float are *independently* adjusted. Impossible to do with SPD-SL and Keo.
5. alternate fore/aft extender baseplates allow to move cleat 10-15mm further back than SPD-SL/Keo, this cured my achilles heel problem in a matter of 2-3 weeks.
6. optional longer pedal spindles for wider q-factor still
7. due to better float and q-factor the "tuning" of the cleat for a rider is vastly simpler. I always had to micro-fiddle with SPD-SL cleats to get the right float. Royal PIA.
to those who are complaining about dirt in cleats - you must wear cleat covers, never any issues. to those complaining about loose or tight cleats - follow installation instructions - tighten the bolts correctly and no problems. to those complaining about lack of pro riders on speedplay - 7 or 8 teams on Tour of CA this year were on Speedplay Zero. Plus add Team CSC wins in Paris-Roubaix and Tour De France. To those complaining about Zero small platform: Not true, the stiff carbon sole of the shoe is the platform. To those complaining about putting 2-3 drops of oil on cleat springs, i dont know what to say except that why dont you complain about having to lube the chain too?
Speedplay Zero is IMO the best overall road pedal on the market today. Not fault free but better than the rest.
The negatives are the very high price of Zero cleats and extender baseplates (which should be standard baseplates btw). The leg length shim kits are also expensive. But the added comfort more than makes up for it. I would not use Keo or SPD-SL pedals anymore.
i switched from 4+ years on Ultegra SPD-SL to Speedplay Zero stainless steel pedals ~10 months ago, ~7000+km later, no regrets. Here are the reasons Zero pedal (IMO) is better than SPD-SL and Keo.
1. zero float or plenty of float, you choose how much float you like. I like a lot.
2. double sided entry
3. more q-factor adjustment than either SPD-SL or Keo offers
4. q-factor and float are *independently* adjusted. Impossible to do with SPD-SL and Keo.
5. alternate fore/aft extender baseplates allow to move cleat 10-15mm further back than SPD-SL/Keo, this cured my achilles heel problem in a matter of 2-3 weeks.
6. optional longer pedal spindles for wider q-factor still
7. due to better float and q-factor the "tuning" of the cleat for a rider is vastly simpler. I always had to micro-fiddle with SPD-SL cleats to get the right float. Royal PIA.
to those who are complaining about dirt in cleats - you must wear cleat covers, never any issues. to those complaining about loose or tight cleats - follow installation instructions - tighten the bolts correctly and no problems. to those complaining about lack of pro riders on speedplay - 7 or 8 teams on Tour of CA this year were on Speedplay Zero. Plus add Team CSC wins in Paris-Roubaix and Tour De France. To those complaining about Zero small platform: Not true, the stiff carbon sole of the shoe is the platform. To those complaining about putting 2-3 drops of oil on cleat springs, i dont know what to say except that why dont you complain about having to lube the chain too?
Speedplay Zero is IMO the best overall road pedal on the market today. Not fault free but better than the rest.
The negatives are the very high price of Zero cleats and extender baseplates (which should be standard baseplates btw). The leg length shim kits are also expensive. But the added comfort more than makes up for it. I would not use Keo or SPD-SL pedals anymore.
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Love my Looks, my buddy loves his Speedplays, love my eggbeaters on my mtn bike, fastest guy I know rides Looks.... What works best for you is what you should be using. Get out and ride a few of them. Great thread! Circle jerk comes to mind
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