Originally Posted by logdrum

Obviously, a lot of you do not have strong woman-wear-the-pants wives. I think PCAD has one.

Originally Posted by trigger

I do understand where you're coming from, but you have to realize that crimes against women (because they are women) are hate crimes and are not different from crimes against members of distinct racial groups or against *****exuals. There is no grey area when you attack someone because of their gender, race or sexual orientation. None.

Originally Posted by v70cat

And this reply is not hostile, calling someone stupid?

Originally Posted by WCoastPeddler

You must excuse BarracksSi's ignorance and lack of education that come through in his posts -- it's tough being someone who thinks he's smarter than everyone else (when obviously he's not).

BarracksSi's attitude is definitely one of the reasons why there is a lot of hostility in these forums.

Originally Posted by The Weak Link

I guess where the grey area comes in may be summarized as follows: people who dress like a hooker should not be shocked if they are treated like one. Use a dominatrix as an avatar and don't be shocked when someone makes a sexist remark.

Originally Posted by BarracksSi

Another loser.

Originally Posted by WCoastPeddler

You must excuse BarracksSi's ignorance and lack of education that come through in his posts -- it's tough being someone who thinks he's smarter than everyone else (when obviously he's not).

BarracksSi's attitude is definitely one of the reasons why there is a lot of hostility in these forums.

Originally Posted by ImRael

Rewarded behavior.

Originally Posted by WCoastPeddler

Point made.

Nice to see the trailer park mentality rising to the surface.

Originally Posted by BarracksSi

It's terrifically annoying, isn't it? It's like when a girl buys a top to accentuate her chest, even asking a friend, "How do my boobs look?", then gets upset when guys stare at her boobs.

Gee, why d'ya think they do? Duuuuhhhhhhh......

Originally Posted by WCoastPeddler

What the heck are you going on about? Lost what argument? Are you referring to the Critical Mass discussion -- if so, you're delusional and your helmet must be on too tight.

Originally Posted by Innes

How is this thread not locked/deleted?

Originally Posted by tulex

no drpete, i'm not saying that at all. I'm saying people have to own what they do. A woman has the right to walk through central park at 2am. Doing so would be stupid. So when she gets *****, sure the guy is wrong. Does it make her right?

My point is, having a right doesn't make it right. And quite frankly, i have no desire to be pc. I'm extremely tired of watching movements go from people not having rights to those same people abusing rights. And when it comes to women being provocative, it's not anyones personal view of whether or not she is, but the general opinion that will matter. And if a woman is seen as a dick tease, there won't be much sympathy for her when she gets called on it. Again, own what you do.

Originally Posted by WCoastPeddler

Very good question.

Admins, why is ouright calling someone stupid or a moron tolerated in these forums?

Originally Posted by DrPete

Engaging in high-risk behavior doesn't make the perp any less wrong. The "general opinion" is completely irrelevant--a woman has the right to not have a violent felony committed against her no matter what she's wearing.

My wife works in sexual assault prevention on a large college campus, and the number of women who get ***** is ridiculously shocking--the number of men who never see any consequences for it is even more nauseating. The "she was asking for it" culture goes well beyond walking through Central Park at 2 AM. Yes, the reality is that it's a bad idea, but the only one truly "wrong" is the man who takes advantage of that situation. And going back to your "general opinion" idea, there are plenty of frat boys whose brothers have the "general opinion" that drugging and gang raping women is perfectly OK, and that "if they don't want it, they shouldn't be hot." Yes, that's a real quote. Personally, I'd like to change that culture before my daughter has to grow up in it.

Bottom line is that if men didn't **** women, there'd be no women getting *****, even if women walked down the street completely naked.

Originally Posted by trigger

Not that long ago, being black and engaging in certain activities or yes, even dressing certain ways in certain places was considered "high risk". We got over that.

Not that long ago, being *****exual and engaging in certain activities or yes, dressing certain ways was considered "high risk". We got over that.

Being a woman and dressing a certain way is only going to be considered "high risk" as long as we (as a society) decide that violent sexual behaviour toward women is OK under certain circumstances. Why can't we just, as with the examples above, decide that it's wrong. Because, you know, it is.

Ask your wives, girlfriends, sisters and female friends ... women that you can all pretty much know not be "those sorts of women", you know, the kind that "ask for it". You will likely be shocked at the number of them that have endured inappropriate sexual advances from men. And when I say that, I don't mean some guy coming on too strong at a bar or the local construction yahoos shouting out some choice comments. I mean scary encounters. It should give you pause.

Originally Posted by The Weak Link

Sigh. If I'm shot because I was foolish enough to wander through a highrisk area I'd be just as dead as if I was shot because I was a woman or gay or, for God's sake and heaven help me, a Republican. The thought process involved in the mind of the perp seems a bit irrelevant at that point. I think this "hate crime" business has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with grievance politics.

I guess where the grey area comes in may be summarized as follows: people who dress like a hooker should not be shocked if they are treated like one. Use a dominatrix as an avatar and don't be shocked when someone makes a sexist remark.

I think we all agree that **** is a very very bad thing.

Originally Posted by Bearonabike

If you run for political office, I'd vote for you.

Originally Posted by ImRael

Not all guys., humans would have died off long ago if that were the case.

Originally Posted by NomadVW

Just thought I'd point out you're on page 11 and neither of the previous two pages had anything to do with road biking or the road bike forum. Can someone take out the garbage?

Originally Posted by NomadVW

Just thought I'd point out you're on page 11 and neither of the previous two pages had anything to do with road biking or the road bike forum. Can someone take out the garbage?