Hostile Post Environment?
09-21-09 | 08:48 AM
#401
This just bugs the hell out of me. It ignores the fact that SOME women take advantage of attention in other situations.
It also comes across as if guys don't get crap on here too. I have seen way more guys get flamed for some part of their body or looks or you name it than I have seen woman get harassed.
It also comes across as if the percentage of guys that are aholes is larger than the percentage of women that like the attention.
How is a woman getting a catcall any more hurtfull that a guy getting crap for having small legs. (not me, I've never posted a picture, I couldn't stand the rejection)
It also comes across as if guys don't get crap on here too. I have seen way more guys get flamed for some part of their body or looks or you name it than I have seen woman get harassed.
It also comes across as if the percentage of guys that are aholes is larger than the percentage of women that like the attention.
How is a woman getting a catcall any more hurtfull that a guy getting crap for having small legs. (not me, I've never posted a picture, I couldn't stand the rejection)
09-21-09 | 08:59 AM
#405
Junk Mile Junkie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 6,465
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From: Webster, NY
And by the way, I can't find an online dictionary that says catcalls are sexual harassment. I get how it's being used here, but I've not seen it done here.
Oh wait, yes I have had a SO, my girlfriend before my wife. She liked the attention though. Probably why I left her for my wife 25 years ago...
Last edited by Tulex; 09-21-09 at 09:03 AM.
09-21-09 | 09:06 AM
#406
In the dark
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,890
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From: VA
Sexual harassment includes many things...
Actual or attempted **** or sexual assault.
Unwanted pressure for sexual favors.
Unwanted deliberate touching, leaning over, cornering, or pinching.
Unwanted sexual looks or gestures.
Unwanted letters, telephone calls, or materials of a sexual nature.
Unwanted pressure for dates.
Unwanted sexual teasing, jokes, remarks, or questions.
Referring to an adult as a girl, hunk, doll, babe, or honey.
Whistling at someone.
Cat calls.
Sexual comments.
Turning work discussions to sexual topics.
Sexual innuendos or stories.
Asking about sexual fantasies, preferences, or history.
Personal questions about social or sexual life.
Sexual comments about a person's clothing, anatomy, or looks.
Kissing sounds, howling, and smacking lips.
Telling lies or spreading rumors about a person's personal sex life.
Neck massage.
Touching an employee's clothing, hair, or body.
Giving personal gifts.
Hanging around a person.
Hugging, kissing, patting, or stroking.
Touching or rubbing oneself sexually around another person.
Standing close or brushing up against a person.
Looking a person up and down (elevator eyes).
Staring at someone.
Sexually suggestive signals.
Facial expressions, winking, throwing kisses, or licking lips.
Making sexual gestures with hands or through body movements.
Last edited by cshell; 09-21-09 at 09:09 AM.
09-21-09 | 09:11 AM
#407
Banned.
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,938
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From: Post-partisan Paradise
Bikes: GF Wahoo '05, Trek T1000 '04, Lemond Buenos Aires '07
Whenever I post a picture of myself here I get made fun of because of my grey beard and pot belly and people accuse me of being a bent rider which is worse than being called a Republican.
I get weepy and depressed about it for days afterwards.
But up to this point I've never complained because I've been afraid people would just make even more fun of me.
It's not really fair, you know.
I get weepy and depressed about it for days afterwards.
But up to this point I've never complained because I've been afraid people would just make even more fun of me.
It's not really fair, you know.
09-21-09 | 09:17 AM
#408
Conquer Cancer rider
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 6,040
Likes: 1
From: Toronto
Bikes: Fun bike, city bike, touring bike, swish new ebike, Bike Friday
There are lots of women interested in road cycling out there. But as has been said time again, we just get fed up with the "are you hot" comments each time we open our mouths.
There are some really good supportive comments in this thread though, specially from Dr Pete. Thank you Dr Pete. Maybe we'll venture back here from time to time.
There are some really good supportive comments in this thread though, specially from Dr Pete. Thank you Dr Pete. Maybe we'll venture back here from time to time.
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09-21-09 | 09:18 AM
#409
Junk Mile Junkie
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 6,465
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From: Webster, NY
Whenever I post a picture of myself here I get made fun of because of my grey beard and pot belly and people accuse me of being a bent rider which is worse than being called a Republican.
I get weepy and depressed about it for days afterwards.
But up to this point I've never complained because I've been afraid people would just make even more fun of me.
It's not really fair, you know.
I get weepy and depressed about it for days afterwards.
But up to this point I've never complained because I've been afraid people would just make even more fun of me.
It's not really fair, you know.
Please, anyone that finds the above sentence offensive, note the "if", "if", not 100%, "might"
09-21-09 | 09:22 AM
#410
Passista
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Let's be honest: there is nothing anyone, male or female, can ever do that will prevent women from being viewed as sexual objects by men (and often by other women as well). It's "human nature". All we can do is fight the idea that women are "only" sexual objects. As long as we see them for all they are, there is no point in trying to eliminate the sexual object part.
09-21-09 | 09:26 AM
#412
Heck... I'm introverted and getting divorced. I'm happy when a woman notices that I exist.
09-21-09 | 09:30 AM
#415
Passista
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09-21-09 | 09:34 AM
#418
Junk Mile Junkie
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From: Webster, NY
The main thing that separates us from other animals sexually is that we are able and choose to suppress our sexual urges.
To expect everyone to do so in exactly the same way is extremely unrealistic.
09-21-09 | 09:41 AM
#421
Passista
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If you don't believe in human nature, doesn't that leave us with animal instincts?
The main thing that separates us from other animals sexually is that we are able and choose to suppress our sexual urges.
To expect everyone to do so in exactly the same way is extremely unrealistic.
The main thing that separates us from other animals sexually is that we are able and choose to suppress our sexual urges.
To expect everyone to do so in exactly the same way is extremely unrealistic.
09-21-09 | 09:43 AM
#422
Gunner.
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,735
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From: Santa Clarita, CA
Bikes: Giant TCR, Spooky Skeletor, Pivot Mach 6
Ok, so I'll be the one that looks like an ahole for pointing it out, but your title says you are a cougar, you have a dominatrix avatar, you say you are on the prowl, and your sig says you are looking for a new toy.
Don't you think that might have something to do with it?
And it works both ways by the way. More often than I see women treated poorly on here, I see men jump to help them because they ARE a woman. And I have seen women flirt like hell on here. And just like it might be a small percent of the women that do that, so is it a small percent of the men that scare women away.
Don't you think that might have something to do with it?
And it works both ways by the way. More often than I see women treated poorly on here, I see men jump to help them because they ARE a woman. And I have seen women flirt like hell on here. And just like it might be a small percent of the women that do that, so is it a small percent of the men that scare women away.
But here's the thing ... women are concerned that if they post something, it will either deteriorate into something vulgar and insulting ... or that they will get flamed or facepalmed because they don't know the right questions to ask or right terms to use or whatever. There's a concern about both things.
I think women should just get in here and post ... and I also think that the mods should be right on it if it turns negative toward the women.
And many women, even here on BF, are still in that sort of mindset. IF they happen to get a bicycle it's because of pressure from a husband or boyfriend, or maybe a vague desire to get into shape. But they feel like they know so little about bicycles that they are not even sure what questions to ask. They might not even have the vocabulary to use. Maybe they venture in here, but they see everyone talking away using words they don't understand or in ways they don't understand. And they see all the teasing that goes on. And so ... they don't come back here to ask questions.
We're becoming prudes in the age of political correctness. Sure sex sells. And sex should be fun. If I had a killer body I'd want to show it off too. It's funny because when I was living in the UK the comedies on TV (ie Coupling) are so much more sexual than they could ever be here in America. The level of provocatism there is far beyond ours as well. People need to embrace sex and stop fearing it.
Quick question - can someone link me to all the women hating threads? I've been here a long time and can count maybe on one hand the number of times I have ever seen a thread posted by a woman go downhill - and each time it was addressed by mods. I think in general, everyone is harassed on the RC forum. Dosen't matter which protected category you belong to, we're all treated the same.
Lastly, it's the internet people and this is a free forum. Hell, we don't even know if the men in this thread are really men and vice versa. This is one of the most respectable forums I've been a part of. I spent several years in the BMW car mod world and let me tell you they make this forum look like something straight from the good side of heaven.
Rob
09-21-09 | 09:46 AM
#424
Banned.
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From: Post-partisan Paradise
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Anyway don't let us disturb you.
09-21-09 | 09:53 AM
#425
Passista
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I'm reading "The Closing of the American Mind" by Harold Bloom and he writes about people like you but in my sheltered life I didn't realize that you really exist out there. But it doesn't have much to do with sexual harrassment and hostile environments. It's more like meeting the president of the Solipsists' Society and being able to keep a straight face.
Anyway don't let us disturb you.
Anyway don't let us disturb you.