Looks like someone missed the key word "percentage".

But I think that's the "problem" under discussion here: that the entertainment value and the offensive content on BF comes from people's attempts to interact with each other, often by *trying* to use humor. I'd argue that one comes with the other. Dry, technical discussions are boring. I really enjoy the fast pace of the site, myself.

The interesting thing is, that with only a few exceptions, I've never really noticed any overt moderation of these kinds of offensive commments. More often, other users will comment instead. Maybe there does need to be more overt moderation, more clearly setting the tone for what is acceptable posting.

I dunno...

that.

Members: 6,601, Active Members: 1,064 - - -16%

Members: 165,324, Active Members: 18,373 - -11%

Do we need these #'s, too? relevant?


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I disagree. Many men, most in fact, are in control of themselves. The problem is, there are BAD people in the world and we have to acknowledge that fact and govern our actions accordingly. As I said earlier, once done, **** and murder can't be un-done. How does that relate to BF and this fourm? Just as there are people in society who will be "pigs" there are also people in BF who will be pigs. It IS a fact of life that must be dealt with. Mods can do some to combat this, but even the best mod effort will still result in someone somewhere being offended. It comes back tot he question of when do you tell the offended to HTFU or the pig to take it elsewhere?

Sure they do, they change the odds in her favor. There are no guarantees but for goodness sake, any factor in your favor, no matter how small, may be all it takes to avoid some very unpleasant life events.

God bless her but you have to know it's an uphill battle. Winnable yes, but the problem there may be that they didn't learn basic human respect when they were under 5.

But what are the counts after you've factored out Pcad talking to himself?

There are times for open moderation like this and times when it is better to be subtle and just delete without any additional attention.

I noticed an insulting post earlier in this thread, which was gone when I refreshed the screen. The forum guidelines are posted here, but maybe they should be a sticky? Probably not a bad idea.

I agree that I often come back for the entertainment value and if it was purely technical, I'd only visit with a specific purpose and not often. The humor in this forum is better than what other sources of entertainment provide. Unfortunately, what some consider humorous, others might not. The problem is what some consider a grey area, others consider black and white. This is why the mods are here to yank the offensive materials - and are doing an admirable job at it.

Except I think they should ban Pcad for a week, just to show him that he is not immune!

Then get started. I'm anticipating this new world order with baited breath.

YES!!!! We have a winner!!

Just wondering....

One could interpret the OP as a couched lament that men are not metrosexual. How happy would that make the average woman (overall) (within BF)?

If you are disciplined enough to be a road bicyclist, then you are disciplined enough to be respectful of all people. I've been around a lot of male road cyclists, and they can be condescending toward women, but they can also be great, respectful and compassionate people. It's your choice.

This.

You misinterpreted. That was about her bike position and fit. I know who you're talking about, I've met her at collegiate races. I might have even been one of the ones commenting. Most women I've seen at races don't have good fits on their bikes. She actually looks comfortable on hers.

Both of those examples are misrepresentations of what was said. To have my view that woman can and should look out for themselves twisted as support for those that harm them was wrong. DrPete said my views were based on certain ideas, and they were not nor do I support those views.

It's a good example of being sensitive to the fact that an attractive woman has substantial amounts of crap like that to deal with. I think if I were getting unwanted attention all the time I'd feel like I need to have my guard up about comments like that too.

It would have been easily defused by elaborating a bit and saying exactly what you did here.

does that mean they require a white knight like you to protect them from the rest of the men?

No, it doesn't. I'm not sure why you're hung up on the "white knight" thing. This has been a pretty frank discussion about some of the attitudes that deter women from posting, and the women have articulated it better than I ever could. It's stuff that we do as men that we don't even think about, but it can and sometimes does make women uncomfortable.

Why does it bother you so much that there are men who actually acknowledge that maybe our society doesn't always treat women well and that there's something we as men can do about it? Where's the downside in understanding where someone else is coming from and acting accordingly?

True, but irrelevant. When someone is perpetually offended and constantly searching for offense they will find it everywhere. It's why the presence of a few feminists with chips on their shoulders in an office is pretty much the very definition of a hostile work environment for everyone else.

It was Duke of Kent who said it. It was elaborated in the thread, if you take the entire thread in context. WR goes on to elaborate and say that she looks "fluid, comfortable, and aero". The poster who it was directed to thanked him for the comment. There was no situation that needed defusing if you read the entire thread, and not just the comment.

So the women are taking all your fun away, huh? What's the hostility that you've experienced by having to be appropriate around your co-workers? Bet it was a bummer when you had to stop making racist jokes around your black coworkers too. It must be very hard for you.

So if "when someone is perpetually offended and constantly searching for offense they will find it everywhere," why not try to prove her wrong instead of writing her off as a "feminist with a chip on her shoulder?"

"Defuse" was the wrong word--clearly with a little explanation it was taken the right way. I hadn't read that exact thread, sorry.

Your point of view comes off as so Puritan Idealist to me. You seem to believe that attractive women don't take advantage of being so. I can't imagine the world you live in, but it's not what's around me. Women have, do and always will use their looks to an advantage. Guys have, do, and always will respond to that. That's the real world. But your idea that women have the right to do what ever they choose without negative results isn't reality. You might think it should be, you might want it to be, but it isn't reality. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, it's not reality. And it works both ways. Guys do it too. That's reality.

And accepting reality does not endorse it.

the downside is in the *generality*. sure, sure, let us all "act accordingly" and why don't we just employ new laws of behavior? every catcall should earn a ten day lockup perhaps? how about the stocks or pillory?

perhaps we should have a Ministry of Good and Correct Behaviour who can help us all keep on the narrow path to righteousness, and those of us who display "unacceptable" behaviours could be branded with the sign of the pig on our faces and then made to walk the streets of some quiet New England town.

Let us all Pre-Emptively strike out against immoral behaviour at once! We know that many things can have the result of (good heavens) causing someone to be upset. Words even!!

My my well we must therefore work to restrain speech. Speech ought not to be so ... what's the word I am looking for.... "free?" yeah.... that's it.

Perhaps we could make having lewd thoughts a crime. It won't be long before we will have the technology to track changes in the brain chemistry. Let's just prosecute all offenders for having sexual thoughts when they should be holding upstanding and clean conversations.


Why bother policing ACTUAL crimes when we can stop the future criminals? Everyone knows that all people who ask "was she hot?" in an online forum are going to grow up to be *******.

How could I know this? Well of course I learned it right here.