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2ndGen 06-25-11 04:29 PM

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2ndGen 06-25-11 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Infinitedreams (Post 12837640)
I want to drink the kool aid!:thumb:

I test rode the CAAD 105 and the Rival a few weeks ago and was going to make the plunge but it was right after Memorial Day and I missed some sales that some of the LBS were doing so I've held off waiting and wondering if LBS's will have special for the 4th of July.

Does anyone know if LBS usually do sales/discounts on the 4th of July? If not my holding off could be in vain..

Most importantly what's the status on the frames strength? Any cracking? I'm 215 lbs (Could stand to lose 25lbs:() and wondering if the are any issues with the frame breaking.

A) LBS's always look for an excuse to have a sale. Talk to a salesman. Tell him you're ready to pull the trigger on a CAAD10, but are looking for the best deal so you can buy accessories too (doesn't mean you "have to" buy the accessories at the time you buy the bike. It just wets the salesman's appetite a bit that if he/she works with you, you'll be loyal and come buy you accessories from them).

B) I don't see your weight being an issue with a CAAD10. The only issues I've read about is the BB30. Of course, this is it's first year of production with a new manufacturer in Asia. They may need time to fine tune their skills. You should be okay either way because Cannondale has a great warranty.



Originally Posted by Reesh (Post 12838408)
When the 2012s come out, anyone think I can find a CAAD10 1 for a deal?

There are always deals. You just gotta hunt them down. :)

Reesh 06-25-11 06:28 PM

Another question, awesome stealth black aside... does anyone feel that the Caad10 1 is not that great a deal? Are the components worth the extra grand over the Caad10 3? I still have to get back in to test ride the 3, but the 1 was heavenly. Like lightning.

Velo_Tut 06-25-11 07:23 PM

2ndGen, tnx for posting the pics. Always good to see more!

Reesh, I think you'll always be able to find a deal out there, but it'll be a little while before you can get a CAAD10 for a steal since they're the latest (and greatest as some have argued.)

2ndGen 06-25-11 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Reesh (Post 12840262)
Another question, awesome stealth black aside... does anyone feel that the Caad10 1 is not that great a deal? Are the components worth the extra grand over the Caad10 3? I still have to get back in to test ride the 3, but the 1 was heavenly. Like lightning.

Performance wise, Ultegra is pretty much 90% of what Dura Ace offers.
If I were going to spend what a CAAD10 3 costs, I'd go all the way JUST for the paint. But that's just me.
IMO; The DA Rear Derailleur, Shifters, Brake Upgrade, & Saddle are worth the $1,000. difference alone.
But, one can purchase the CAAD10 3 and have 90% of the performance of the CAAD10 1 and save $1K.



Originally Posted by Velo_Tut (Post 12840466)
2ndGen, tnx for posting the pics. Always good to see more!

Was an overcast day so I could'nt get the real pics I wanted, but I did what I could. Thanks for appreciating them.

:)

alpha_bravo 06-25-11 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Reesh (Post 12840262)
Another question, awesome stealth black aside... does anyone feel that the Caad10 1 is not that great a deal? Are the components worth the extra grand over the Caad10 3? I still have to get back in to test ride the 3, but the 1 was heavenly. Like lightning.

One thing I really dislike about Cannondale is the use of cheap stock components and the CAAD10-1 is a perfect example of that. I'm not sure how they can label it a Dura-Ace bike when only the Shifters and RD are actually Dura-Ace. By the time you upgrade everything on the bike you'll be $4K into it already.

More importantly to me, that defeats the purpose of the CAAD. One of the great things about the CAAD is (was) the value and performance it combined better than any other bike on the market. In '08 I bought my CAAD9-5 with 105 components for $1200 out the door. I've since ridden the hell out of it and raced it for two and a half seasons. It performs wonderfully accelerating well and handling beautifully through the corners. More importantly, it's a great feeling knowing I can wipe out (which has already happened) and for around $1000 I can have a new frame and be ready to race once again. When you're investing almost three times as much into a new bike I'm not completely sold on how much value the CAAD really has any more.

Personally at your budget if you're planning on racing I would look at one of the lower models like the 10-4 which I think may be the ultimate stock racing bike. You get the value of the CAAD frame without the bling components (besides they all shift fine when tuned correctly anyway). If you're just riding for enjoyment I think you owe it to yourself to at least try a carbon bike like the SuperSix at your price point. Just my .02 hope it helps.

Reesh 06-25-11 10:03 PM

I'm actually looking for an upgrade from my current carbon ride. I like the current Ultegra I've got on my trek, but the bike is not very 'alive'. I've been racing for a couple years and when I went into the shop, I wasn't really looking for a bike to race on. I was looking for a bike to ride cross country on in a fully supported tour. The guy I talked to, a recently retired pro racer directed me toward the Caad10 1 and had me riding it around the block multiple times in short order. Like I said before... I liked the bike. So much so that I thought "hey... maybe I could ride across the country on this bike AND race on it"... thus allowing me to sell my current bike to free up some extra capital.

I had read that the lack of Dura-Ace on the "Dura-Ace" model is fairly frustrating to some. Frankly, I don't care about bling factor. I want a bike with components that feel good to me. The question is that are the combined components, regardless of some of them not being DA (not important), worth the extra 1K? I did like the way the drive train operated and the shifters felt fantastic-- total upgrade from my 2006 ultegra shifters. If it is a good value for the frame and componentry and I like the way the bike rides, then I have zero issues paying $3200 for it. I just don't want to get shortchanged, I suppose.

Thanks :)

2ndGen 06-25-11 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by Reesh (Post 12841074)
I'm actually looking for an upgrade from my current carbon ride. I like the current Ultegra I've got on my trek, but the bike is not very 'alive'. I've been racing for a couple years and when I went into the shop, I wasn't really looking for a bike to race on. I was looking for a bike to ride cross country on in a fully supported tour. The guy I talked to, a recently retired pro racer directed me toward the Caad10 1 and had me riding it around the block multiple times in short order. Like I said before... I liked the bike. So much so that I thought "hey... maybe I could ride across the country on this bike AND race on it"... thus allowing me to sell my current bike to free up some extra capital.

I had read that the lack of Dura-Ace on the "Dura-Ace" model is fairly frustrating to some. Frankly, I don't care about bling factor. I want a bike with components that feel good to me. The question is that are the combined components, regardless of some of them not being DA (not important), worth the extra 1K? I did like the way the drive train operated and the shifters felt fantastic-- total upgrade from my 2006 ultegra shifters. If it is a good value for the frame and componentry and I like the way the bike rides, then I have zero issues paying $3200 for it. I just don't want to get shortchanged, I suppose.

Thanks :)

I'm betting they won't be anywhere near $3200. in a couple of months.
Just like I saw CAAD9-1's going for $1999. (the original $3K CAAD),
I believe they will drop substantially and will be more worth it.
And I fully agree...I hate it that a bike is called Dura Ace equipped
when it's overhwelmingly Ultegra and with Tektro brakes and an FSA crank.
For $3,000. a person would be better off building-up a CAAD10 frameset.

withsriracha 06-26-11 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by 2ndGen (Post 12841130)
For $3,000. a person would be better off building-up a CAAD10 frameset.

I did this (full Force, except crankset, and Ksyrium SLs, but obviously sub your favorite parts in for these). It was a good call.

Vince Canepa 06-26-11 05:15 PM

I think Cannondale blew it with the CAAD10. Not with the design. But they are foisting off the same equipment packages as the CAAD9, for the most part, and they are charging the same price, while at the same time they have reduced production costs by moving production to Asia. That doesn't make them bad bikes, but it does mean they are no longer unique. That makes the competition's offerings more compelling. If they had made the CAAD10 better equipped at the same price, in my opinion the case for the 10 would be more compelling.

Beaker 06-26-11 05:23 PM

I don't think they blew it, but the best value proposition is the 10-4 or 10-5. They hit heavy in that price bracket. 10-3 and 10-1 not so much. Don't get me wrong, they're great bikes, but the $2-3K price point is very busy.

rangerdavid 06-26-11 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Vince Canepa (Post 12843339)
I think Cannondale blew it with the CAAD10. Not with the design. But they are foisting off the same equipment packages as the CAAD9, for the most part, and they are charging the same price, while at the same time they have reduced production costs by moving production to Asia. That doesn't make them bad bikes, but it does mean they are no longer unique. That makes the competition's offerings more compelling. If they had made the CAAD10 better equipped at the same price, in my opinion the case for the 10 would be more compelling.

Well said, and I agree.

2ndGen 06-26-11 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by withsriracha (Post 12843319)
I did this (full Force, except crankset, and Ksyrium SLs, but obviously sub your favorite parts in for these). It was a good call.

$3,500. for my 9:
Full Dura Ace 7800, Ultegra SL Crank w/Dura Ace Rings, Ultralight CNC Brakes w/SwissStop GHP2 Pads, Mavic Ksyrium Elite Wheelset, KCNC Skewers, Continental Grand Prix 4000S Tires/Race Lite Tubes, Fi'zi:k Aliante Carbon Saddle/Cyrano Carbon Post/Microtex Tape/Gel Inserts, FSA K-Wing Compact Bar, Bontrager XXX Race Lite OS Stem, Dura Ace 7900 Pedals & an Edge 1.0 Fork. 15.65lbs. Better than any CAAD Cannondale ever produced. :D

2ndGen 06-26-11 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by Vince Canepa (Post 12843339)
I think Cannondale blew it with the CAAD10. Not with the design. But they are foisting off the same equipment packages as the CAAD9, for the most part, and they are charging the same price, while at the same time they have reduced production costs by moving production to Asia. That doesn't make them bad bikes, but it does mean they are no longer unique. That makes the competition's offerings more compelling. If they had made the CAAD10 better equipped at the same price, in my opinion the case for the 10 would be more compelling.

That is EXACTLY what I've always argued that Cannondale/Dorel actually lowered their costs of production and raised their prices. Not to mention that they are pulling BikesDirect tactics of having a couple of pieces of one model on their bike (components) and calling the bike after those few bits. If anything, at the very least, they should've kept the prices/offerings the same.

And gosh dernit, if you're going to call a bike "105", it better be ALL 105! Soup--> To--> Nuts!

2ndGen 06-26-11 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Beaker (Post 12843361)
I don't think they blew it, but the best value proposition is the 10-4 or 10-5. They hit heavy in that price bracket. 10-3 and 10-1 not so much. Don't get me wrong, they're great bikes, but the $2-3K price point is very busy.

What's a better bike for the money?
A CAAD10-1 with 3 DA bits? Or a SuperSix 3 that's almost all Ultegra?
For the same price.(A 105 SS is $1K less than both)

http://cdn.cannondale.com/catalog/pr...x1c_bla_27.png

http://cdn.cannondale.com/catalog/pr...ss3c_blu_9.png

BTW...both are hot, but damn...3 DA bits a "better than a SuperSix" bike do not make.
Now, if the CAAD10 performed better than the SS, okay.
(Never the less...that CAAD10 Stealth is gorgeous)

Rutnick 06-26-11 07:39 PM

I finally got a CAAD9. A barely if rarely ridden 2009 CAAD9 with Tiagra. I bought it for $300. Stripped the parts...sold the parts for more than what I paid for the bike. Rebuilding it with Rival/Force.

I'm so giddy that I can finally post in here.

Guuber 06-26-11 07:50 PM

New to cycling myself. I picked up a CAAD8 2010 Red/Black with Tiagra components from Guys' Bikes in Newtown (shameless plug :) ). Couldn't spend much more than that for my first bike, as I'm only 17, but it is definitely a good bike for me. I have ridden it every day since I got it two weeks ago, and would like to train to complete my first century during my senior year. Here goes nothing!

2ndGen 06-26-11 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Rutnick (Post 12843854)
I finally got a CAAD9. A barely if rarely ridden 2009 CAAD9 with Tiagra. I bought it for $300. Stripped the parts...sold the parts for more than what I paid for the bike. Rebuilding it with Rival/Force.

I'm so giddy that I can finally post in here.

:thumb: Excellent! Now remember, pics or it didn't happen!

http://www.welcomehomeprod.com/ProdI...03_Welcome.jpg

2ndGen 06-26-11 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Guuber (Post 12843906)
New to cycling myself. I picked up a CAAD8 2010 Red/Black with Tiagra components from Guys' Bikes in Newtown (shameless plug :) ). Couldn't spend much more than that for my first bike, as I'm only 17, but it is definitely a good bike for me. I have ridden it every day since I got it two weeks ago, and would like to train to complete my first century during my senior year. Here goes nothing!

Well, you're going to have a great bike there for a long time Guuber! Enjoy it! And welcome. Have some Kool Aid!

Beaker 06-26-11 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by 2ndGen (Post 12843786)
3 DA bits a "better than a SuperSix" bike do not make.

I would agree with this. If I was in the market for one, I'd seriously consider the SuperSix and just upgrade my shifters, RD over time. I did this with a full 105 Roubaix that I bought at the end of 07 that now has 6700 SL cranks, 7800 shifters, FD and RD, and the original 5600 brake w/Swiss-stop pads. The DA stuff and Ultegra cranks work very well together and spread out over a couple of years they were easy incremental upgrades to swallow.

Rutnick 06-26-11 08:40 PM

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pic of my $300 CAAD9. She's been stripped since this pic and waiting my rival/force build and a new life as my crit bike.

rat fink 06-27-11 12:21 AM

Reading the last few pages, I thought of this:

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2ndGen 06-27-11 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by Rutnick (Post 12844117)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=208273

pic of my $300 CAAD9. She's been stripped since this pic and waiting my rival/force build and a new life as my crit bike.

Outstanding! Thanks for sharing!

Reesh 06-27-11 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by rat fink (Post 12844652)
Reading the last few pages, I thought of this:

http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip...8243.strip.gif

I see you your comic strip and raise you http://surlybikes.com/blog/2514/

goose70 06-27-11 08:14 AM

I test drove a CAAD10 this weekend. While a few miles on a roughly fitted bike does not make a great test, I came away a little disappointed in the 10, but more pleased with my 9. Maybe this is simply due to unrealistic expectations, but I did not notice the 10 to be any quicker, more comfortable or better handling than the 9. And on the cornering, which I spent a fair amount of time doing, I'm convinced that the 9 carves them better than the 10.

Most surprising (and disappointing), the welds on the 10 were not quite as smooth as my 9. They weren't lumpy like, say, a Trek 1.x, but you could still see them at certain light angles. By contrast, my and every other 9 I've seen has the welds so smooth that the frame could pass for CF (and frenquently does).


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