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blackcaad 11-12-11 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by ilovecycling (Post 13483731)
Can we please stop calling other matte black bikes "BBQ?" Just say matte black since that's what it is.

+1

orionz06 11-12-11 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by ilovecycling (Post 13483731)
Can we please stop calling other matte black bikes "BBQ?" Just say matte black since that's what it is.


Oh, that's what a "BBQ" bike is? I agree, sounds pretty stupid.

ussprinceton 11-12-11 06:46 PM

I'm kind of wishing I had waited on making the purchase of my CAAD 10 because I could have saved $250 on another same bike except for the color...oh well

2ndGen 11-12-11 07:16 PM

"This" is BBQ. ;)

http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/...104_1345-2.jpg

2ndGen 11-12-11 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by ussprinceton (Post 13486080)
I'm kind of wishing I had waited on making the purchase of my CAAD 10 because I could have saved $250 on another same bike except for the color...oh well

Better deals will always come.

If you got what you wanted, it would be a waste of time to have any kind of regrets.
I would pay full price for something I wanted and just enjoy it.

I <3 Robots 11-12-11 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by 2ndGen (Post 13482804)
That Evo Red is like a carbon version of my BBQ CAAD9.

You sure your not looking at a Super Six and not an Evo? ;)

The CAAD9 looks nothing like the Evo. Especially the back half. Put your CAAD9 side by side with an Evo...you'll realize that they look nothing alike.

The Evo looks more like a carbon CAAD10. :innocent:

2ndGen 11-12-11 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by I <3 Robots (Post 13486243)
You sure your not looking at a Super Six and not an Evo? ;)

The CAAD9 looks nothing like the Evo. Especially the back half. Put your CAAD9 side by side with an Evo...you'll realize that they look nothing alike.

The Evo looks more like a carbon CAAD10. :innocent:

They are both black.
They both have classic lines.
They both have the outlined lettering.
They both have Ksryium Elite wheels.
You have to see them in person to notice this better.

CAAD10's "look" like clones, but upon closer inspection, you'll note the following:
The main difference between the EVO and the CAAD10 is that
EVO's tubes are thinner and rounder (more like the CAAD9's).
CAAD10's actually look more like Carbon bikes that EVO's IMO.
Again, you have to see them side by side (CAAD10, CAAD9, EVO).
But of course, this is all subjective and just my personal opinions.

:)

musiquero 11-12-11 08:54 PM

The Cannondale rep at my LBS said that the CAAD10 is the Aluminum of the EVO. With the same lines and tubes.
And they look almost identical just one is carbon and the other isn't.

orionz06 11-12-11 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by musiquero (Post 13486402)
The Cannondale rep at my LBS said that the CAAD10 is the Aluminum of the EVO. With the same lines and tubes.
And they look almost identical just one is carbon and the other isn't.

Wouldn't it be the Evo is a CF version of the CAAD10?

musiquero 11-12-11 08:58 PM

But the EVO is sexy though. Quick story...we had a cancer ride in october and they were raffling out bikes and what not. well anyways
if won you had the choice and a CAAD10-5 or the EVO frame and fork...this guy won and guess what he picked.........the CAAD10-5 made
me sick. i wanted to slap him.

orionz06 11-12-11 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by musiquero (Post 13486420)
But the EVO is sexy though. Quick story...we had a cancer ride in october and they were raffling out bikes and what not. well anyways
if won you had the choice and a CAAD10-5 or the EVO frame and fork...this guy won and guess what he picked.........the CAAD10-5 made
me sick. i wanted to slap him.

But it would have cost how much to get the evo going?

musiquero 11-12-11 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by orionz06 (Post 13486413)
Wouldn't it be the Evo is a CF version of the CAAD10?

That's what i meant thank you orionz06

musiquero 11-12-11 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by orionz06 (Post 13486423)
But it would have cost how much to get the evo going?

You can built that frame up little by little and still come on top big time. even the resale value on the frame itself
can get you a very nice bike.

DGlenday 11-12-11 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by musiquero (Post 13486402)
The Cannondale rep at my LBS said that the CAAD10 is the Aluminum of the EVO. With the same lines and tubes.
And they look almost identical just one is carbon and the other isn't.

http://cdn.cannondale.com/catalog/pr...2rseid_crb.png
http://cdn.cannondale.com/catalog/pr...ax5c_bbq_8.png
http://slantmedia.tv/getagrip/compon...0RA91C_bbq.jpg

Hmmm...

To my mind, the Evo looks more like a 9 than a 10.

zitter 11-12-11 10:52 PM

the main difference between the caad10 and evo is the headtube junction (and the bottom bracket, rear brake routing and slight geometry, but they're not as noticeable). if you look at the top tube, rear triangle, delta seat tube and fork, they're basically identical between the caad10 and evo (also the evo uses basically the same fork as the caad10, just a hi modulus carbon version)

the similarities between the 9 and the evo are that they both say cannondale and are made of two triangles and the headtube junction looks a little thinner like the evo because it doesn't have an oversized down tube like the caad10 does

i should know this, i sold several of them and ride a caad10

DGlenday 11-12-11 10:56 PM

More info - this seems to support a similarity in the geometry of the Evo and the 10:

CAAD10:
http://cdn.cannondale.com/catalog/pr...-caad10_17.gif

Evo
http://cdn.cannondale.com/catalog/pr...rsix_evo_3.gif

Not identical, but very close...

musiquero 11-12-11 10:58 PM

Thank you!!

jtwilson 11-12-11 11:01 PM

Downtube on the EVO is somewhere between the CAAD9 and 10 in shape at the headtube junction. Seat stays and chain stays on the CAAD10 are basically identical to the EVO and reflect the "SAVE" concept much moreso than the CAAD9. I think this is what makes the big difference in the reported ride quality, as in the CAAD10 feels more like a carbon frame than the CAAD9. There is no doubting that the CAAD10 represents an evolution over the CAAD9 in terms of tubing geometry, resulting in an improved ride quality. I am still up in the air over whether my next bike will be based on the EVO or CAAD10 frame.

I <3 Robots 11-13-11 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by 2ndGen (Post 13486362)
They are both black.
They both have classic lines.
They both have the outlined lettering.
They both have Ksryium Elite wheels.
You have to see them in person to notice this better.

CAAD10's "look" like clones, but upon closer inspection, you'll note the following:
The main difference between the EVO and the CAAD10 is that
EVO's tubes are thinner and rounder (more like the CAAD9's).
CAAD10's actually look more like Carbon bikes that EVO's IMO.
Again, you have to see them side by side (CAAD10, CAAD9, EVO).
But of course, this is all subjective and just my personal opinions.

:)

So please do not confuse fact with fiction. :)

You know how impressionable some of the BF'ers are. ;)

I <3 Robots 11-13-11 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by jtwilson (Post 13486705)
Downtube on the EVO is somewhere between the CAAD9 and 10 in shape at the headtube junction. Seat stays and chain stays on the CAAD10 are basically identical to the EVO and reflect the "SAVE" concept much moreso than the CAAD9. I think this is what makes the big difference in the reported ride quality, as in the CAAD10 feels more like a carbon frame than the CAAD9. There is no doubting that the CAAD10 represents an evolution over the CAAD9 in terms of tubing geometry, resulting in an improved ride quality. I am still up in the air over whether my next bike will be based on the EVO or CAAD10 frame.

There is a pretty big price gap in the two. If you can swing the cash...I'd just get the Evo and put any future regrets out of the way.

If you plan on racing crits and are worried about crashes...then I would go the way of the 10. I've been seeing alot of them show up at the local crits. I know a Cat 3 racer that busted two S-Works carbon frames and ended up buying a CAAD10.

2ndGen 11-13-11 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by I <3 Robots (Post 13489490)
So please do not confuse fact with fiction. :)

You know how impressionable some of the BF'ers are. ;)

Again, you have to have all 3 bikes in your midst to know what I'm talking about.
There's the internets, then there's reality! :lol:

zitter 11-13-11 09:23 PM

2ndgen, i'm sorry, but your conclusions aren't really valid

They are both black. - there are tons of black bikes, a paint job does not equate a distinct similarity between two different bikes
They both have classic lines. - classic lines as in they are both made of two main triangles? again, many bike have "classic lines", standard geometry, round tubing
They both have the outlined lettering. - again, a paint job does not show a similarity
They both have Ksryium Elite wheels. - those are stock wheels and come on many different bikes, again, not a real similarity
You have to see them in person to notice this better. - i have, they are distinctly dissimilar

CAAD10's "look" like clones, but upon closer inspection, you'll note the following:
The main difference between the EVO and the CAAD10 is that
EVO's tubes are thinner and rounder (more like the CAAD9's). - they're thinner because they are carbon and are much stronger and lighter, not like the caad9, tube shaping is not like the caad9 which is obvious in the top tube, rear triangle, etc
CAAD10's actually look more like Carbon bikes that EVO's IMO. - what does a "carbon" bike look like? there are many different types of carbon bikes and the caad10 is a specific aluminum bike with obvious weld lines, the evo is seamless and truly looks carbon because it is even though it has a classic geometry and silhouette, and the headtube junction is insanely clean, this is another moot point
Again, you have to see them side by side (CAAD10, CAAD9, EVO).
But of course, this is all subjective and just my personal opinions. - again, i have seen them all side by side, and even though it is your opinion, it is severely misjudged

i'm sorry, but i can't take it anymore with your illogical reasoning

I <3 Robots 11-13-11 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by 2ndGen (Post 13489517)
Again, you have to have all 3 bikes in your midst to know what I'm talking about.
There's the internets, then there's reality! :lol:

or just look at the pics posted above. :trainwreck:

2ndGen 11-13-11 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by zitter (Post 13489559)
2ndgen, i'm sorry, but your conclusions aren't really valid
They are both black. - there are tons of black bikes, a paint job does not equate a distinct similarity between two different bikes They both have the outlined lettering. - again, a paint job does not show a similarity
They both have Ksryium Elite wheels. - those are stock wheels and come on many different bikes, again, not a real similarity

Similar paint schemes & graphics, tube shapes & identical wheels "don't" look alike? http://elfenliedfansite.com/images/smiley/smiley027.gif



i have, they are distinctly dissimilar
Okay.


i'm sorry, but i can't take it anymore with your illogical reasoning
Okay.

See? Easy. Agree to disagree.



Originally Posted by I <3 Robots (Post 13489561)
or just look at the pics posted above. http://www.helifreak.com/images/smil...alm_smiley.gif

Yes, because pictures are more "real" than real bikes. :thumb:
And if it's on the internets, it has to be true! :lol:

Even when you look at the pictures, you'll see how bulbous the CAAD10 is at the head tube compared to the round tubing of the EVO. And where it the TT meets the seat tube, on the 10, it gets much smaller than the EVO which keeps a more consistent thickness resembling tubing more (one of the weight saving measures Cannondale talked about).

Now, if the headtube and TT on a 10 are closer to you to an EVO, more power to you. But I don't know how oval ='s round, how flared-out hydroformed aluminum ='s smaller rounded tubing. Of course, a CAAD9 isn't going to look like a CAAD10. They are two different bikes and it is based "on" The EVO (like Specialized did with their new Allez Comp). But IMO, the EVO has a far cleaner look than the CAAD10. The only place that they are identical are at the junction of the seat tube. The CAAD10 looks more like a carbon bike than the EVO does with it's fat and the more aggressively tapered tubing.

That's why I like the EVO so much. It doesn't look like the rest of the aero shaped carbon bikes out there with flared tubing. It's not even as thick as the SuperSix/HM either. They actually went smaller with the design. I love that.

2ndGen 11-13-11 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by DGlenday (Post 13486697)
More info - this seems to support a similarity in the geometry of the Evo and the 10:

CAAD10:
http://cdn.cannondale.com/catalog/pr...-caad10_17.gif
Evo
http://cdn.cannondale.com/catalog/pr...rsix_evo_3.gif

Not identical, but very close...

Actually, the only differences between all three (including the CAAD9, SuperSix, HiMod)
are literally tenths of centimeters when compared to the EVO in...
http://www.nytro.com/prodimages/geom..._caad9_geo.gif

:)


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