the dreaded 2nd flat
#26
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On group rides with more than one other co-rider: One tube only, regardless of ride length. You will get help when needed.
On solo rides (or one other rider only):
<50 miles: One tube + patch kit
50+ miles: Two tubes + patch kit
You could do the 50 miler with one tube+patch as well, but I like to have backup in the rare case that the tube is unpatchable, like a valve type puncture that can't be easily patched.
I love patching, but I've never had to patch on the road. But I've patched often enough at home that it would definitely be a trivial task. It's super-uber easy - just don't use the 'preglued' patches, as those fail much more than the separate glue ones, which for me, have never failed - not once. Even my rookie patches worked great.
Once you do a patch and see it holds, you'll never be afraid of on-road flats that strand you ever again.
On solo rides (or one other rider only):
<50 miles: One tube + patch kit
50+ miles: Two tubes + patch kit
You could do the 50 miler with one tube+patch as well, but I like to have backup in the rare case that the tube is unpatchable, like a valve type puncture that can't be easily patched.
I love patching, but I've never had to patch on the road. But I've patched often enough at home that it would definitely be a trivial task. It's super-uber easy - just don't use the 'preglued' patches, as those fail much more than the separate glue ones, which for me, have never failed - not once. Even my rookie patches worked great.
Once you do a patch and see it holds, you'll never be afraid of on-road flats that strand you ever again.
#27
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After you find the pinhole, a key move is to WIDEN the hole so you can easily find it. Yup, counterintuitive but if you at least make it a 2mm hole that you can definitively find and fix, you won't have any questions of whether you 'got it' with your patch, which is usually the case when you've got a microscopic puncture. The patches can really cover big gaps - I wouldn't hesitate to throw a big patch over a 1cm tear in my tube.
#28
Who wants to waste the time to figure out the tire repair order of the day?
Gee, how many tubes should I take today? Should I add an extra Co2 cartridge, or just leave it at home and take only the pump? Are these patches any good? Who else is going to be there? What's the weather like, right now? How about later? Will I be gone long? How remote is the ride?
What's SWMBO doing today? Is she going to be available? Will there be cell service where I am? Will she have cell service? What if she's not around then? What if I'm riding when I'm supposed to be at work? What friends could I call if I royally screw this up?
Should I bring cleat covers in case I have to walk? Can I walk in these cleats? Are these my favorite socks? I don't want to ruin them.
That's just too much work. Load the kit up, leave it on the bike, and rock on. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. And don't impose the consequences of your bad judgement on other people.
Gee, how many tubes should I take today? Should I add an extra Co2 cartridge, or just leave it at home and take only the pump? Are these patches any good? Who else is going to be there? What's the weather like, right now? How about later? Will I be gone long? How remote is the ride?
What's SWMBO doing today? Is she going to be available? Will there be cell service where I am? Will she have cell service? What if she's not around then? What if I'm riding when I'm supposed to be at work? What friends could I call if I royally screw this up?
Should I bring cleat covers in case I have to walk? Can I walk in these cleats? Are these my favorite socks? I don't want to ruin them.
That's just too much work. Load the kit up, leave it on the bike, and rock on. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. And don't impose the consequences of your bad judgement on other people.
#29
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Who wants to waste the time to figure out the tire repair order of the day?
Gee, how many tubes should I take today? Should I add an extra Co2 cartridge, or just leave it at home and take only the pump? Are these patches any good? Who else is going to be there? What's the weather like, right now? How about later? Will I be gone long? How remote is the ride?
What's SWMBO doing today? Is she going to be available? Will there be cell service where I am? Will she have cell service? What if she's not around then? What if I'm riding when I'm supposed to be at work? What friends could I call if I royally screw this up?
Should I bring cleat covers in case I have to walk? Can I walk in these cleats? Are these my favorite socks? I don't want to ruin them.
That's just too much work. Load the kit up, leave it on the bike, and rock on. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. And don't impose the consequences of your bad judgement on other people.
Gee, how many tubes should I take today? Should I add an extra Co2 cartridge, or just leave it at home and take only the pump? Are these patches any good? Who else is going to be there? What's the weather like, right now? How about later? Will I be gone long? How remote is the ride?
What's SWMBO doing today? Is she going to be available? Will there be cell service where I am? Will she have cell service? What if she's not around then? What if I'm riding when I'm supposed to be at work? What friends could I call if I royally screw this up?
Should I bring cleat covers in case I have to walk? Can I walk in these cleats? Are these my favorite socks? I don't want to ruin them.
That's just too much work. Load the kit up, leave it on the bike, and rock on. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. And don't impose the consequences of your bad judgement on other people.
When you run out of tubes and/or patches, find some scrap plastic to wrap around the hole in the tube
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Last edited by Homebrew01; 09-20-11 at 02:10 PM.
#30
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I love patching, but I've never had to patch on the road. But I've patched often enough at home that it would definitely be a trivial task. It's super-uber easy - just don't use the 'preglued' patches, as those fail much more than the separate glue ones, which for me, have never failed - not once. Even my rookie patches worked great.
I love patching, but I've never had to patch on the road. But I've patched often enough at home that it would definitely be a trivial task. It's super-uber easy - just don't use the 'preglued' patches, as those fail much more than the separate glue ones, which for me, have never failed - not once. Even my rookie patches worked great.
#31
True that...how much can an extra inner tube possibly weigh?
#32
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This is me. First flat gets a new tube and CO2. Second flat gets a patch and a pump. I'm probably late anyway now so I might as well take my time and get it right.
#34
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From: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix
On group rides with more than one other co-rider: One tube only, regardless of ride length. You will get help when needed.
On solo rides (or one other rider only):
<50 miles: One tube + patch kit
50+ miles: Two tubes + patch kit
You could do the 50 miler with one tube+patch as well, but I like to have backup in the rare case that the tube is unpatchable, like a valve type puncture that can't be easily patched.
I love patching, but I've never had to patch on the road. But I've patched often enough at home that it would definitely be a trivial task. It's super-uber easy - just don't use the 'preglued' patches, as those fail much more than the separate glue ones, which for me, have never failed - not once. Even my rookie patches worked great.
Once you do a patch and see it holds, you'll never be afraid of on-road flats that strand you ever again.
On solo rides (or one other rider only):
<50 miles: One tube + patch kit
50+ miles: Two tubes + patch kit
You could do the 50 miler with one tube+patch as well, but I like to have backup in the rare case that the tube is unpatchable, like a valve type puncture that can't be easily patched.
I love patching, but I've never had to patch on the road. But I've patched often enough at home that it would definitely be a trivial task. It's super-uber easy - just don't use the 'preglued' patches, as those fail much more than the separate glue ones, which for me, have never failed - not once. Even my rookie patches worked great.
Once you do a patch and see it holds, you'll never be afraid of on-road flats that strand you ever again.
They are designed to be TEMPORARY (i.e. get you home). So they are best used on the road if you are in a hurry.
For permanent repair, you need the old-fashioned patches with the vulcanizing cement.
#35
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From: Southwest MO
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I never had any luck finding the hole. Its a ninja thing or something. I get a lot of these with a hole too small to even think about seeing.
#36
Who wants to waste the time to figure out the tire repair order of the day?
SEE BELOW
That's just too much work. Load the kit up, leave it on the bike, and rock on. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. And don't impose the consequences of your bad judgement on other people.
SEE BELOW
That's just too much work. Load the kit up, leave it on the bike, and rock on. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. And don't impose the consequences of your bad judgement on other people.
Should I add an extra Co2 cartridge, or just leave it at home and take only the pump? Pump.
Are these patches any good? Only as good as the patcher.
Who else is going to be there? I am a one man wolfpack.
What's the weather like, right now? Windy with a chance of more wind.
How about later? See above.
Will I be gone long? Flats happen everywhere.
How remote is the ride? Doesn't matter.
What's SWMBO doing today? That is a long acronym.
Is she going to be available? Depends on what SWMBO means.
Will there be cell service where I am? Verizon, so, yes.
Will she have cell service? See above.
What if she's not around then? There's always someone you can call.
What if I'm riding when I'm supposed to be at work? Ride TO work.
What friends could I call if I royally screw this up? See two above.
Should I bring cleat covers in case I have to walk? MTB shoes and Candy pedals.
Can I walk in these cleats? See above.
Are these my favorite socks? Seek therapy.
I don't want to ruin them. Make a follow-up appointment.
DS, this is not mocking you, it is mocking the process :-)
#38
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50miles is short for carrying 2 tubes for me. Shorter rides are definitely 1 tube. A century might be a tube and a patch kit (though I've done 200k brevets with only 1 tube). A 3 day tour will definitely call for 2 spare tubes and a patch kit.
#39
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small seat bag: patch kit, 4 CO2's, tire levers, multi tool hex wrench, and cash.
left jersey pocket - 2 tubes and a mini pump in a ziplock
middle jersey pocket - phone and cleat covers or another tube (depending on the distance)
right pocket - energy bars and gels
left jersey pocket - 2 tubes and a mini pump in a ziplock
middle jersey pocket - phone and cleat covers or another tube (depending on the distance)
right pocket - energy bars and gels
#40
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From: Louisissippi Coast
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My first line of defense is my Gatorskins. My second line is my spare tube. My third is a patch kit. I carry a micropump mounted alongside my bottle cage too. Since I bough the Gatorskins, I haven't had to go to my second line of defense. I have used my tubes, patches and pump to help other people along the way. I don't race and rarely have a partner, so I have to be self-sufficient.
#42
I carry two tubes at all times for anything up to 50. Two tubes, a tire lever, a multitool, and a chain tool all fit in a tiny little Topeak bag on the back of my saddle. If I'm riding further where support or cell service is nonexistent, I'll carry a couple more and go to the extreme of a CO2 and nozzle in case my pump fails. That's generally reserved for a mountain ride though and I rarely do it but after getting stuck 5 miles (luckily) from home one time, I stopped messing around.
#43
Gee, how many tubes should I take today? Three.
Should I add an extra Co2 cartridge, or just leave it at home and take only the pump? Pump.
Are these patches any good? Only as good as the patcher.
Who else is going to be there? I am a one man wolfpack.
What's the weather like, right now? Windy with a chance of more wind.
How about later? See above.
Will I be gone long? Flats happen everywhere.
How remote is the ride? Doesn't matter.
What's SWMBO doing today? That is a long acronym.
Is she going to be available? Depends on what SWMBO means.
Will there be cell service where I am? Verizon, so, yes.
Will she have cell service? See above.
What if she's not around then? There's always someone you can call.
What if I'm riding when I'm supposed to be at work? Ride TO work.
What friends could I call if I royally screw this up? See two above.
Should I bring cleat covers in case I have to walk? MTB shoes and Candy pedals.
Can I walk in these cleats? See above.
Are these my favorite socks? Seek therapy.
I don't want to ruin them. Make a follow-up appointment.
DS, this is not mocking you, it is mocking the process :-)
Should I add an extra Co2 cartridge, or just leave it at home and take only the pump? Pump.
Are these patches any good? Only as good as the patcher.
Who else is going to be there? I am a one man wolfpack.
What's the weather like, right now? Windy with a chance of more wind.
How about later? See above.
Will I be gone long? Flats happen everywhere.
How remote is the ride? Doesn't matter.
What's SWMBO doing today? That is a long acronym.
Is she going to be available? Depends on what SWMBO means.
Will there be cell service where I am? Verizon, so, yes.
Will she have cell service? See above.
What if she's not around then? There's always someone you can call.
What if I'm riding when I'm supposed to be at work? Ride TO work.
What friends could I call if I royally screw this up? See two above.
Should I bring cleat covers in case I have to walk? MTB shoes and Candy pedals.
Can I walk in these cleats? See above.
Are these my favorite socks? Seek therapy.
I don't want to ruin them. Make a follow-up appointment.
DS, this is not mocking you, it is mocking the process :-)
Or does two mockings make us right?
SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed*
* See the most awesome of mocksters, Rumpole
#44
Oh no, I'll show my age.
No CO2. Always a frame pump.
2 tubes, patch kit.
And minor modification to the patch kit. Once the glue is opened a second unopened tube. Few things suck more than being prepaired only to find the glue dried out. (and it does not need to be all the way dry to not be useful).
No CO2. Always a frame pump.
2 tubes, patch kit.
And minor modification to the patch kit. Once the glue is opened a second unopened tube. Few things suck more than being prepaired only to find the glue dried out. (and it does not need to be all the way dry to not be useful).
#45
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Patch kits RULE.
There are tons of cyclists (more triathletes, actually) who refuse to patch. I haven't patched on the road (no preglued stuff) but if I did, it would only add literally 60 seconds to my already 3-4 minute tire change process, and faster if I get a fellow rider to help me.
I've yet to have a patch fail. I'm like 15/15, with no special tricks or experience needed. I'm so confident in their integrity that I take them as my backup spare for races (I used to only take new tubes for backups esp for races, but with none failing, why worry?) My trainer tire has two patches on it, and I was sure the added tension on the tire would cause a leak, but nope - over a year and not a single problem with those patches either.
Patches rule!
There are tons of cyclists (more triathletes, actually) who refuse to patch. I haven't patched on the road (no preglued stuff) but if I did, it would only add literally 60 seconds to my already 3-4 minute tire change process, and faster if I get a fellow rider to help me.
I've yet to have a patch fail. I'm like 15/15, with no special tricks or experience needed. I'm so confident in their integrity that I take them as my backup spare for races (I used to only take new tubes for backups esp for races, but with none failing, why worry?) My trainer tire has two patches on it, and I was sure the added tension on the tire would cause a leak, but nope - over a year and not a single problem with those patches either.
Patches rule!
#46
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I'm not going to carry 2 tubes on 50 mile rides though.
Two tubes, three CO2 cartridges and a patch kit - if I need more than that, it's karma catching up with me.
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what device do you use/bring to use with the CO2s? later.
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