Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Hand Built Wheels

Search
Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Hand Built Wheels

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-16-11 | 07:52 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1

Bikes: Colnago C59 Italia Di2

Hand Built Wheels

If you get a shop to build wheels for you, how accurate would you expect them to get the dish on the rear wheel.

I just had a set built up and the dish is very slightly off (about 1mm) toward the drive side. Not a major problem, it just means adjusting the brakes when I swap to my other wheels.

How hard is it for a builder to alter the dish and would you bother?
lazerzxr is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 08:44 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 236

Bikes: Habanero Titanium Team Nuevo

I would say this is ok but certainly it can be fixed just needs to get it closer. My question is what did you use to measure the dish being off 1mm. If you can measure that accurate on the dish ( not that hard to do) then that says you have pretty good skills. The builder should be able to alter the dish in a heartbeat.
deacon mark is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 09:00 PM
  #3  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1

Bikes: Colnago C59 Italia Di2

I just put it in my frame and the rim is closer to one chain stay than the other, 1mm maybe 2. Very easy to see. I have 2 other sets of wheels that sit perfectly central in both my frames. It was seated correctly in the drop outs so I concluded the dish is marginally off.

My frame is fairly tight for clearance so im worried that under certain conditions the reduced clearance could become a problem
lazerzxr is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 09:03 PM
  #4  
halfspeed's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 12,275
Likes: 6
From: SE Minnesota

Bikes: are better than yours.

I don't consider a wheel build done unless the dish is off by a lot less than a mm.
__________________
Telemachus has, indeed, sneezed.
halfspeed is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 09:12 PM
  #5  
Bob Dopolina's Avatar
Mr. Dopolina
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 10,276
Likes: 185
From: Taiwan

Bikes: KUUPAS, Simpson VR

The dish should not be off at all. There are basic shop tools for this.

Obviously their truing stand is out of adjustment (it happens). I would let them know (and ask them to finish building your wheel).
__________________
BDop Cycling Company Ltd.: bdopcycling.com, facebook, instagram



Bob Dopolina is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 09:19 PM
  #6  
Homebrew01's Avatar
Super Moderator
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 21,987
Likes: 1,169
From: Ffld Cnty Connecticut

Bikes: Old Steelies I made, Old Cannondales

Personally I never use a truing stand for dishing, they're not accurate. That's what dishing tooks are for.
__________________
Bikes: Old steel race bikes, old Cannondale race bikes, less old Cannondale race bike, crappy old mtn bike.

FYI: https://www.bikeforums.net/forum-sugg...ad-please.html
Homebrew01 is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 09:19 PM
  #7  
cuda2k's Avatar
Unique Vintage Steel
Titanium Club Membership
Sheldon Brown Memorial - Titanium
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 11,591
Likes: 287
From: Allen, TX

Bikes: Kirk Frameworks JKS-C, Serotta Nova, Gazelle AB-Frame, Fuji Team Issue, Surly Straggler

Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
The dish should not be off at all. There are basic shop tools for this.

Obviously their truing stand is out of adjustment (it happens). I would let them know (and ask them to finish building your wheel).
This. My first set I built both wheels were out of dish because the truing stand I had was out of adjustment. Getting it back in adjustment was a pain in the arse, should have tested the stand when I got it (used) on an existing set before diving into the build.
cuda2k is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 09:24 PM
  #8  
Officially Foul Mouthed
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
From: Raleigh

Bikes: Ti IF PlanetX, etc.

doesn't sound good to me; take wheels back to the builder and ask them to verify the wheels being true round and lateral, and same dish on both sides, and tensioning (shouldn't be any the ring too high or low compared to other spokes on the same side)

if they start turning nipples, are they putting tape on the spokes to detect wind-up? more of a concern with the thinner double butted spokes like Sapim Laser

you should watch the verification; if they are true, have them put the wheels on the bike and have them check the side to side offset you notice

wheels that are "finished" and not dished evenly on both sides are a pain in the ass to fix and there is risk that the tensioning will be incorrect; if I had a finished wheel that was not dished correctly by 1 mm I'd loosen all the nipples and start over
mikerhymeswith is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 09:28 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 342
Likes: 0
I might be showing my lack of ability/knowledge, but I don't worry about dish being 1mm off.
ruindd is offline  
Reply
Old 11-16-11 | 09:30 PM
  #10  
Doohickie's Avatar
You gonna eat that?
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 14,917
Likes: 543
From: Fort Worth, Texas Church of Hopeful Uncertainty

Bikes: 1966 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist, 1973 Schwinn Varsity, 1983 Raleigh Marathon, 1994 Nishiki Sport XRS

1mm is within spec.
__________________
I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.


Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."
Doohickie is offline  
Reply
Old 11-17-11 | 12:43 AM
  #11  
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,204
Likes: 1

Bikes: Colnago C59 Italia Di2

I think i'll mention it to them but I'll measure it first so I have numbers to back me up. Im guessing 1mm but i suspect it is more given that I noticed it the moment I put the wheel in the frame. If they dont want to know, its not the end of the world but its my first hand built set of wheels and Id like it right.
lazerzxr is offline  
Reply
Old 11-17-11 | 01:07 AM
  #12  
Bob Dopolina's Avatar
Mr. Dopolina
Titanium Club Membership
15 Anniversary
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 10,276
Likes: 185
From: Taiwan

Bikes: KUUPAS, Simpson VR

Originally Posted by lazerzxr
I think i'll mention it to them but I'll measure it first so I have numbers to back me up. Im guessing 1mm but i suspect it is more given that I noticed it the moment I put the wheel in the frame. If they dont want to know, its not the end of the world but its my first hand built set of wheels and Id like it right.
That was my thought as well. There's no way a 1mm difference would be so obvious.
__________________
BDop Cycling Company Ltd.: bdopcycling.com, facebook, instagram



Bob Dopolina is offline  
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
rydabent
Bicycle Mechanics
16
01-19-18 09:46 AM
axolotl
Touring
20
09-12-12 09:15 PM
deacon mark
Bicycle Mechanics
4
07-12-12 09:33 PM
JVoigt
Bicycle Mechanics
13
06-29-11 10:20 PM
andy21
Road Cycling
7
02-26-10 07:11 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.