Strength worth the weight?
01-17-13 | 09:38 AM
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I am a proud owner of HplusSon SL42's laced to tiagra hubs. They are the most responsive, most comfortable wheelset I have ever ridden. I also beat the hell out of them on a daily basis. lol
aaaaaaaaaand I've raced them...successfully
aaaaaaaaaand I've raced them...successfully
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01-17-13 | 09:54 AM
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I am a proud owner of HplusSon SL42's laced to tiagra hubs. IIRC they weighed in under 1800g. They are the most responsive, most comfortable wheelset I have ever ridden. I also beat the hell out of them on a daily basis. lol
aaaaaaaaaand I've raced them...successfully
aaaaaaaaaand I've raced them...successfully
Which gets me back to the wheels are a fashion statement (and they look really nice in that pic.)
2) as for racing, it's the motor that matters.
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01-17-13 | 10:05 AM
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1) on who's scale? Published weight for the rims is 615 grams. So that's 1230. Shimano's tech literature puts the Tiagra rear hub at 426, and the front at 212. 64 spokes a 5 grams each, and 1 for the nipple (which is a reasonable estimate not know ing your spokes) gets you to 2230.
Which gets me back to the wheels are a fashion statement (and they look really nice in that pic.)
2) as for racing, it's the motor that matters.
Which gets me back to the wheels are a fashion statement (and they look really nice in that pic.)
2) as for racing, it's the motor that matters.
seems my memory is a bit fuzzy lol
edited post for accuracy
They are still help make up what has been a great riding wheel for myself. Sure, they look good by some peoples standard, but I dont see how that makes them soley a fashion statement. It's a solid option at the pricepoint. I tend to opt for this wheelset over my kinlin xr270 wheelset even on a day when I'm expecting hills.
01-17-13 | 10:18 AM
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They are still help make up what has been a great riding wheel for myself. Sure, they look good by some peoples standard, but I dont see how that makes them soley a fashion statement. It's a solid option at the pricepoint. I tend to opt for this wheelset over my kinlin xr270 wheelset even on a day when I'm expecting hills.
The OP at 145lbs that's gross overkill.
As for your Kinlin xr270's, what spoke count are they? low spoke count and I could see a larger rider wanting something more robust.
But even if the xr 270 is not stiff enough, there are a lot of options that still build up a wheelset 300 grams lighter than the Son's, such as XR 300's.
Our Rolf tandem wheels are 400 grams lighter than those wheels.
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01-17-13 | 10:34 AM
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I just want to say two things...first, that I *totally* agree with Merlinxtralight's assessments and appreciate his candor, and that Blackbullet's wheels look super-HOT! They are, indeed, a fashion statement!
(whoops, was that 3 things!)
(whoops, was that 3 things!)
01-17-13 | 12:03 PM
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Hey guys, I have been having some issues with my back wheel. I have Mavic cxp33 rims laced to Dura Ace hubs. They held up to some abuse for a while, but it is time for some new wheels. I've been researching different rims and I would really like to try the H+Son SL42 rims with a machined brake track(obviously for my road bike). I like the look, the budget, somewhat aero, and the strength. I would have them built by my LBS using my Dura Ace hubs again. Problem is they are a little on the heavy side. I weigh 145-150, I live in the city and sometimes have to deal with unavoidable potholes and recessed train tracks. I need a wheel that can stay together and be reliable day after day( of course with a good builder).Don't get me wrong though, I love lightweight wheels. I was wondering how many of you guys have wheels that are built more for strength than weight savings? Was it worth it?
The heaviest, stiffest wheels I ever built were 36h Miche high flange track hubs laced to Deep V's. Total overkill for my 175ish pounds. They were real jackhammers on rough streets on a track bike with 23mm tires. Very glad to be rid of them.
01-17-13 | 02:21 PM
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Angular momentum isn't huge on a bicycle, but it does exist. A heavier wheel will take more torque to change it's direction and you might feel this as more or less responsive. If you're really sprinting on a bike where when seen from behind the bike is wobbling all over the place, this could be affected by the angular momentum as well.
So, there. I gave you some scientific mumbo-jumbo justification for what you've experienced. I've got absolutely no idea if for the weight differences you've given me, if this is enough to be felt or not.
Everybody confused yet?
01-17-13 | 03:50 PM
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I should also be a bit more careful (as usual).
Angular momentum isn't huge on a bicycle, but it does exist. A heavier wheel will take more torque to change it's direction and you might feel this as more or less responsive. If you're really sprinting on a bike where when seen from behind the bike is wobbling all over the place, this could be affected by the angular momentum as well.
So, there. I gave you some scientific mumbo-jumbo justification for what you've experienced. I've got absolutely no idea if for the weight differences you've given me, if this is enough to be felt or not.
Everybody confused yet?
Angular momentum isn't huge on a bicycle, but it does exist. A heavier wheel will take more torque to change it's direction and you might feel this as more or less responsive. If you're really sprinting on a bike where when seen from behind the bike is wobbling all over the place, this could be affected by the angular momentum as well.
So, there. I gave you some scientific mumbo-jumbo justification for what you've experienced. I've got absolutely no idea if for the weight differences you've given me, if this is enough to be felt or not.
Everybody confused yet?
01-17-13 | 03:57 PM
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I'm kinda scratching my head over how you can consider a wheel like that 'comfortable'.
01-17-13 | 04:43 PM
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if you're gonna build a wheelset with 32 F/R, then you better build it for strength, since it ain;t gonna be light... then maybe sell them to some 220+ lber...
32h dura aces hubs aside, for your weight you should be able to have a nice set of wheels built in 20/24, nicely much lighter (400+ g lighter, which is a lb of weight) than the 32H stuff and still pound on them for lots of years...
and still have the groovy deep rims...
honestly anything you might run over which might seriously damage a decent light wheelset, by nature will do the same to a 32h set.
a well-built wheelset is not gonna cave in just because you knock a pothole, unless there's a major flaw in the rim (which you proly wouldn't detect anyway) or the wheel has already shown a need for wheel builder attention.
come into the modern world with the whole foot, not just a toe...
do something else with the DA hubs... ebay, soapbox derby... sell em to a Clyde
32h dura aces hubs aside, for your weight you should be able to have a nice set of wheels built in 20/24, nicely much lighter (400+ g lighter, which is a lb of weight) than the 32H stuff and still pound on them for lots of years...
and still have the groovy deep rims...
honestly anything you might run over which might seriously damage a decent light wheelset, by nature will do the same to a 32h set.
a well-built wheelset is not gonna cave in just because you knock a pothole, unless there's a major flaw in the rim (which you proly wouldn't detect anyway) or the wheel has already shown a need for wheel builder attention.
come into the modern world with the whole foot, not just a toe...
do something else with the DA hubs... ebay, soapbox derby... sell em to a Clyde
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01-18-13 | 07:18 PM
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01-18-13 | 08:41 PM
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At 145 lbs, I'd venture to say the OP could run 16/20 with the H Plus Son rims if he can find a good wheelbuilder.
But dang those are heavy. I'm over 200 lbs and I use 32h DT Swiss RR585s on the rear wheels I ride for training (and yes, I can FEEL the weight difference) and I thought those were boat anchors. The H Plus Son's are battleship anchors.
As a pure fashion statement, great. They do look wonderful.
But day-um, at 42 mm they're not even really all that aero. At 145 lbs, just get something like this if you want aero:
https://www.novemberbicycles.com/rfsc-58s/
And this if you don't:
https://www.novemberbicycles.com/fsw-23/
But dang those are heavy. I'm over 200 lbs and I use 32h DT Swiss RR585s on the rear wheels I ride for training (and yes, I can FEEL the weight difference) and I thought those were boat anchors. The H Plus Son's are battleship anchors.
As a pure fashion statement, great. They do look wonderful.
But day-um, at 42 mm they're not even really all that aero. At 145 lbs, just get something like this if you want aero:
https://www.novemberbicycles.com/rfsc-58s/
And this if you don't:
https://www.novemberbicycles.com/fsw-23/
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