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09-25-18, 08:31 AM
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I get the attempt here, it cuts him down an notch and opens a door to potentially post your bike- 2 birds 1 stone right there.
but your dismissive comment that litespeed is titanium for the masses is akin to claiming Cannondale is aluminum for the masses or that trek and specialized are carbon for the masses.
yup- its all correct- they are aluminum and carbon for the masses. Being dismissive of it is absurd though and thats the logical conclusion to your comment.
but your dismissive comment that litespeed is titanium for the masses is akin to claiming Cannondale is aluminum for the masses or that trek and specialized are carbon for the masses.
yup- its all correct- they are aluminum and carbon for the masses. Being dismissive of it is absurd though and thats the logical conclusion to your comment.
09-25-18, 08:44 AM
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Why would you assume no pedals?
That weight is as built, which includes pedals.
As stated before, much of the stated weight difference is build choice, so it is not just frameset weight. Again this difference is (at most) 3 pounds.
Time to get off this crazy train.
Why would you assume no pedals?
That weight is as built, which includes pedals.
As stated before, much of the stated weight difference is build choice, so it is not just frameset weight. Again this difference is (at most) 3 pounds.
Time to get off this crazy train.
09-25-18, 08:59 AM
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09-25-18, 09:18 AM
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09-25-18, 09:21 AM
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because you did not mention pedals in your post. That is a very good weight then but still over 4 pounds heavier. Typical steel bike would be around 22 and up really. I’m surprised because I thought that frame was big...what size is it?. I think your scale might be off since your fondo was just over eighteen. I had a fondo but with 105 and it was around 20 or 21 I think. Quite heavy for carbon but it was the entry level fondo
09-25-18, 09:24 AM
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because you did not mention pedals in your post. That is a very good weight then but still over 4 pounds heavier. Typical steel bike would be around 22 and up really. I’m surprised because I thought that frame was big...what size is it?. I think your scale might be off since your fondo was just over eighteen. I had a fondo but with 105 and it was around 20 or 21 I think. Quite heavy for carbon but it was the entry level fondo
https://archive.fujibikes.com/archive...modelyear=2012
Top end steel bikes, even in the 80's, were commonly 19.5-21 pounds. Again, do the math. Start with frameset weight and go from there. It's not rocket science. The EL-OS tubeset on my frame (62.5cm) is one of the lighter steel tubesets made, so it only follows that it will result in a relatively light frame. My frame is 4.8 lbs, fork is 1.4. For apples to apples, compare any other frameset with that, and you have your delta, given same build - take the variables out to get a real comparison.
Choose to believe what you want, deny everything else. There is nothing I can do to change that.
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09-25-18, 09:31 AM
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All i I was pointing out is the general advantage of most Ti frames over steel is that it is lighter. You prefer steel and that should be the end of the conversation. I don’t think it will ever see 16 pounds on a professional scale but 20 pounds is very light for steel and am surprised. Amazing feat really given the size of that frame and awesome build.
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i don’t know why people are getting in on this conversation I spoke to you about Ti vs steel in general before. It’s a preference thing I get it but makes no sense why you chose a heavier option.
All i I was pointing out is the general advantage of most Ti frames over steel is that it is lighter. You prefer steel and that should be the end of the conversation. I don’t think it will ever see 16 pounds on a professional scale but 20 pounds is very light for steel and am surprised. Amazing feat really given the size of that frame and awesome build.
My mistake was not seeing it for the trolling it is.
You've got a great bike. enjoy it!
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09-25-18, 10:47 AM
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i don’t know why people are getting in on this conversation I spoke to you about Ti vs steel in general before. It’s a preference thing I get it but makes no sense why you chose a heavier option.
All i I was pointing out is the general advantage of most Ti frames over steel is that it is lighter. You prefer steel and that should be the end of the conversation. I don’t think it will ever see 16 pounds on a professional scale but 20 pounds is very light for steel and am surprised. Amazing feat really given the size of that frame and awesome build.
09-25-18, 11:14 AM
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I get the attempt here, it cuts him down an notch and opens a door to potentially post your bike- 2 birds 1 stone right there.
but your dismissive comment that litespeed is titanium for the masses is akin to claiming Cannondale is aluminum for the masses or that trek and specialized are carbon for the masses.
yup- its all correct- they are aluminum and carbon for the masses. Being dismissive of it is absurd though and thats the logical conclusion to your comment.
but your dismissive comment that litespeed is titanium for the masses is akin to claiming Cannondale is aluminum for the masses or that trek and specialized are carbon for the masses.
yup- its all correct- they are aluminum and carbon for the masses. Being dismissive of it is absurd though and thats the logical conclusion to your comment.
09-25-18, 11:14 AM
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R+E Cycles in Seattle can build a 13.5 lb steel road bike.
https://rodbikes.com/catalog/outlaw/outlaw-main.html
True Temper S3 tubing isn't cheap. I have a 15.9 lb fixed gear built from the stuff.
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https://rodbikes.com/catalog/outlaw/outlaw-main.html
True Temper S3 tubing isn't cheap. I have a 15.9 lb fixed gear built from the stuff.
-Tim-
09-25-18, 11:20 AM
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R+E Cycles in Seattle can build a 13.5 lb steel road bike.
https://rodbikes.com/catalog/outlaw/outlaw-main.html
True Temper S3 tubing isn't cheap. I have a 15.9 lb fixed gear built from the stuff.
-Tim-
https://rodbikes.com/catalog/outlaw/outlaw-main.html
True Temper S3 tubing isn't cheap. I have a 15.9 lb fixed gear built from the stuff.
-Tim-
09-25-18, 11:30 AM
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Spec sheet for the Fuji. 18.3 lbs. Mine was a 60cm so probably heavier, but I put lighter wheels on it, and my scale (which is accurate) showed what it showed, and I have no reason to believe it is wrong.
Print Bike Page - 2012 Gran Fondo 2.0
Top end steel bikes, even in the 80's, were commonly 19.5-21 pounds. Again, do the math. Start with frameset weight and go from there. It's not rocket science. The EL-OS tubeset on my frame (62.5cm) is one of the lighter steel tubesets made, so it only follows that it will result in a relatively light frame. My frame is 4.8 lbs, fork is 1.4. For apples to apples, compare any other frameset with that, and you have your delta, given same build - take the variables out to get a real comparison.
Choose to believe what you want, deny everything else. There is nothing I can do to change that.
Print Bike Page - 2012 Gran Fondo 2.0
Top end steel bikes, even in the 80's, were commonly 19.5-21 pounds. Again, do the math. Start with frameset weight and go from there. It's not rocket science. The EL-OS tubeset on my frame (62.5cm) is one of the lighter steel tubesets made, so it only follows that it will result in a relatively light frame. My frame is 4.8 lbs, fork is 1.4. For apples to apples, compare any other frameset with that, and you have your delta, given same build - take the variables out to get a real comparison.
Choose to believe what you want, deny everything else. There is nothing I can do to change that.
09-25-18, 12:06 PM
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- specific geometry for a handbuilt bike. Steel is typically less expensive, even handbuilt and the geometry will match the rider instead of off the peg ti frames.
- classic look. Some like the traditional and OS sized steel tubes compared to the typically larger ti tubes.
- traditional construction. Some like the look of lugged frames and dont want welds.
- negligible weight difference. Some dont care about the pound or whatever difference between quality steel and stock titanium frames.
- cost. Typically, steel frames cost less than titanium.
There are 5 real possible reasons. So now you know they very much exist(you already did, but thats another issue) and can stop asking why someone has a steel frame when titanium is lighter.
Read the reasons, commit them to memory, and stop asking.
09-25-18, 12:23 PM
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No, people want you off here because you keep derailing the thread and posting nonsense.
09-25-18, 12:24 PM
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Truth hurts however. Look, I can't feel good about spending a premium on a bike frame knowing that it was manufactured in some random chinese factory...with possible child slave labor involved and most certainly by human beings like us getting paid virtually nothing/slave wages a month so they won't starve to death.
09-25-18, 12:26 PM
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60 or 80 lbs overweight. Drops kitted out 50 year olds like they're standing still. Rides $300.00 carbon clinchers from Amazon. Enemy of the big carbon sales teams that want him off of bikeforums. Champion of the slaves that built nearly everybody elses bikes. Truth teller.
Oh, I almost forgot about the carbon fork and full rim brakes. People forget about the carbon fork and full rim brakes.
EDIT: You must also be trying to keep out of the spotlight of big hot bike. You know, the ones that push this whole "aesthetically pleasing bike" thing. I only say this because your bike is not hot.
Oh, I almost forgot about the carbon fork and full rim brakes. People forget about the carbon fork and full rim brakes.
EDIT: You must also be trying to keep out of the spotlight of big hot bike. You know, the ones that push this whole "aesthetically pleasing bike" thing. I only say this because your bike is not hot.
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09-25-18, 12:56 PM
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I will get the thread back on track. This bike will not get a hot because it is old and basically is the opposite of what the thread is about. Heck, I don't even have a garage door in the photo. But, just for MyTi, this bike weighs 21.5 as it is. That includes the stealth triple, the big A cassette, the heavy saddle and those pedals.
09-25-18, 01:02 PM
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I will get the thread back on track. This bike will not get a hot because it is old and basically is the opposite of what the thread is about. Heck, I don't even have a garage door in the photo. But, just for MyTi, this bike weighs 21.5 as it is. That includes the stealth triple, the big A cassette, the heavy saddle and those pedals.
That saddle is heavy, but it's a great shape.
09-25-18, 01:06 PM
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The pedals are MKS Urban designed on the style of the Lyotard you are talking about. The saddle is a brand new Selle Turbo. They are reselling the old style. I bought 2 of them on a sale last year for about $35 each. Slapped it on and did a century. That is why I ride those old style saddles. Who cares how much they weigh. It usually has 52/42/30 rings and a smaller cassette. I am a bad climber, probably the worst on BF. That is the SOTR ride setup. A 50/36/28 crankset and bigger cassette on the back.
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The pedals are MKS Urban designed on the style of the Lyotard you are talking about. The saddle is a brand new Selle Turbo. They are reselling the old style. I bought 2 of them on a sale last year for about $35 each. Slapped it on and did a century. That is why I ride those old style saddles. Who cares how much they weigh.
09-25-18, 01:28 PM
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I ride plenty in the drops. To be honest though, that setup came about as a mistake. As is tradition with me and some of the others in C & V, we fix up a different bike each year and ride SOTR. I got the bike finished for the ride, did a shakedown ride to see everything worked, then threw it in my car the night before the drive to the ride. I forgot about adjusting the bars before the ride and it was perfect. So, they have stayed the same since.
09-25-18, 03:31 PM
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Easily recognizing unreasonableness is not in his wheelhouse.