Ebay reminder >>>>bait and switch
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i'll just drop this here... and there are any number of other large retailers regularly selling SHIMANO PARTS directly and thru ebay, amazone, etc.
https://www.performancebike.com/shim...34606?v=671940
https://www.performancebike.com/shim...34606?v=671940
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If you can’t provide links (“feed leads to militants”?) it kind of seems like you’re just making that up about Performance Bike. Shimano does in fact prohibit legitimate dealers from selling on 3rd parties.
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i'll just drop this here... and there are any number of other large retailers regularly selling SHIMANO PARTS directly and thru ebay, amazone, etc.
https://www.performancebike.com/shim...34606?v=671940
https://www.performancebike.com/shim...34606?v=671940
We couldn't find any stores with the name: Performance Bike Try searching for something else.
I am a Shimano dealer and as part of being a Shimano dealer I had to sign documents saying I would not sell on third party websites in fact I did that with a lot of dealer agreements. So just because you see products labeled as Shimano on third party websites does NOT make them legitimate products and does not make the sellers of those products legitimate dealers and if they did sign that agreement they would be in VIOLATION of that agreement and Shimano would not send them product and probably would note it to other vendors as well.
Sorry to burst your bubble with the facts.
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There might be someone calling themselves a real bike shop but if they are selling say Shimano on a third party platform like ebay they are not an authorized dealer for Shimano and if they had a dealer agreement they are violating that dealer agreement. You would have no real recourse with Shimano and getting a return from ebay doesn't stop people from selling fakes and knockoffs and non-geniune product.
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Then they are in violation of their dealer agreement. Simple as that every shop I have worked at that has sold Shimano signed that dealer agreement and from what I recall it hasn't really changed much.
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Either they have a different agreement because they're not you or big enough or Shimano doesn't care as they're moving product
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Or for some reason Shimano didn't notice. I doubt there is a different agreement I did work for a shop that had multiple locations and from what I understood the language about no third party sales was the same.
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Yes Performance bike is likely an authorized Shimano Retailer and they are online only now however going to ebay you get this:
Selling online from your own website is much different from 3rd parties like ebay and amazon... There are plenty of legitimate online stores that are authorized to sell Shimano and you would do much better purchasing through them then going 3rd party heck some of them don't even have physical brick and mortar locations so you are avoiding the "evil bike shop" and purely buying from an only online seller and it could be possible that this seller is quite wealthy as well so you don't give money to a "poor"
I am a Shimano dealer and as part of being a Shimano dealer I had to sign documents saying I would not sell on third party websites in fact I did that with a lot of dealer agreements. So just because you see products labeled as Shimano on third party websites does NOT make them legitimate products and does not make the sellers of those products legitimate dealers and if they did sign that agreement they would be in VIOLATION of that agreement and Shimano would not send them product and probably would note it to other vendors as well.
Sorry to burst your bubble with the facts.
Selling online from your own website is much different from 3rd parties like ebay and amazon... There are plenty of legitimate online stores that are authorized to sell Shimano and you would do much better purchasing through them then going 3rd party heck some of them don't even have physical brick and mortar locations so you are avoiding the "evil bike shop" and purely buying from an only online seller and it could be possible that this seller is quite wealthy as well so you don't give money to a "poor"
I am a Shimano dealer and as part of being a Shimano dealer I had to sign documents saying I would not sell on third party websites in fact I did that with a lot of dealer agreements. So just because you see products labeled as Shimano on third party websites does NOT make them legitimate products and does not make the sellers of those products legitimate dealers and if they did sign that agreement they would be in VIOLATION of that agreement and Shimano would not send them product and probably would note it to other vendors as well.
Sorry to burst your bubble with the facts.
they use a different name on ebay, as do many shops.
get over it already.
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I've run across numerous bike shops selling Shimano Components on ebay.
When it's a choice of making money or violating some so-called agreement, I guarantee shops are selling where they can when they can.
Not doing so is like shooting yourself in the foot and closing the door on thousands of potential customers.
Recently was looking at Specialized Diverge...Called on a bike shop and they indicated because of their agreement with Specialized they couldn't ship it to my house. Called another bike shop and they were more than willing to ship it. It's not like Specialized would know if they shipped it to a customer or sold it in the store.
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Sounds like a bad excuse to me. However you claim to have this proof but don't want to share it so I am just going to assume it isn't there. I know the dealer agreement having signed it I know from talking with my Shimano reps as well they will back up that Shimano does not allow third party sales. You have the claim that Performance Bike, a business that has been around since 1981 has decided to forgo their well known name for something different to sell on ebay becuase...??? When AMain bought them out they didn't get rid of the name why because it has a lot of brand recognition it would be silly to change that.
Remember when iHOP tried to change to iHOB and it didn't work out so well for them...people recognize brand names hence why some people call disposable tissues Kleenex or a copy, a Xerox it would be pretty silly of a company to change their name to sell somewhere unless they are selling in another country that has an established business by the same name but that is not the case here. If I were Performance Bicycle I would use and capitalize on that name and recognition heavily because that is about all I have these days since all of my retail locations have closed.
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However you claim to have this proof but don't want to share it so I am just going to assume it isn't there. I know the dealer agreement having signed it I know from talking with my Shimano reps as well they will back up that Shimano does not allow third party sales. You have the claim that Performance Bike, a business that has been around since 1981 has decided to forgo their well known name for something different to sell on ebay becuase...??? When AMain bought them out they didn't get rid of the name why because it has a lot of brand recognition it would be silly to change that.
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Also not all of those sellers are selling legit Shimano product I know you want that to be so because if it wasn't it ruins the whole argument but plenty of people selling fakes and knockoffs and stuff. It is not uncommon it is not some hidden thing it is just the facts of businesses like that.
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I have to say this each and every time. Get your bike stuff from a bike shop. If you are terrified of leaving the house or hate having to interact with humans or whatever other excuse one wants to come up with there are plenty of brick and mortar shops who sell online or many manufacturers sell stuff as well or if you are desperate to avoid a local bike shop entirely and want to give money to something that makes a lot more money then there are purely online bike shops that are a least bike shops and not just random third party sites selling anything including fakes and knockoffs and are not authorized sellers even if they have a possibly "real" product.
There might be someone calling themselves a real bike shop but if they are selling say Shimano on a third party platform like ebay they are not an authorized dealer for Shimano and if they had a dealer agreement they are violating that dealer agreement. You would have no real recourse with Shimano and getting a return from ebay doesn't stop people from selling fakes and knockoffs and non-geniune product.
I was just saying that there are indeed real bike shops selling on Ebay. Rreal online bike shops. I've used many of them.
But to address what you might be thinking is a general comment on authorized sellers of certain products on eBay by using the Shimano example, there are indeed Sram Authorized sellers on Ebay. I've used them many times. At least they use a logo indicating as such.
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I never held that there are authorized Shmano sellers on EBay - i have no opinion on that. I'm almost exclusively Sram user mostly for design and ergonomic reasons, so I haven't shopped for new Shinano stuff on Ebay.
I was just saying that there are indeed real bike shops selling on Ebay. Rreal online bike shops. I've used many of them.
But to address what you might be thinking is a general comment on authorized sellers of certain products on eBay by using the Shimano example, there are indeed Sram Authorized sellers on Ebay. I've used them many times. At least they use a logo indicating as such.
I was just saying that there are indeed real bike shops selling on Ebay. Rreal online bike shops. I've used many of them.
But to address what you might be thinking is a general comment on authorized sellers of certain products on eBay by using the Shimano example, there are indeed Sram Authorized sellers on Ebay. I've used them many times. At least they use a logo indicating as such.
Yes there might be some online bike shops selling through 3rd parties but if they are selling products not allowed then they are violating dealer agreements and making it harder for legit shops to do online sales.
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Of course they use a logo it makes them look legit but generally most of these companies do not permit 3rd party sales. I cannot remember my SRAM agreement as well but typically it is similar.
Yes there might be some online bike shops selling through 3rd parties but if they are selling products not allowed then they are violating dealer agreements and making it harder for legit shops to do online sales.
Yes there might be some online bike shops selling through 3rd parties but if they are selling products not allowed then they are violating dealer agreements and making it harder for legit shops to do online sales.
And, as far as the one example I gave - Sram authorized sellers - are you saying that they're lying? I don't think so. I won't argue about it though. I'm a happy and successful ebay purchaser for about 20 years, and have no reason to doubt the honesty of the folks I do business with on that platform. I also use local bike shops for stuff I know that they actually carry, but since it's so often a waste of time shopping locally, I use online bike shops (yes, real bike shops that sell online) and ebay when necessary especially for used parts. I avoid Amazon as much as I possibly can and never use them for bike stuff.
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It' not "might be"; there definitely are legitimate online bike shops selling through EBay.
And, as far as the one example I gave - Sram authorized sellers - are you saying that they're lying? I don't think so. I won't argue about it though. I'm a happy and successful ebay purchaser for about 20 years, and have no reason to doubt the honesty of the folks I do business with on that platform. I also use local bike shops for stuff I know that they actually carry, but since it's so often a waste of time shopping locally, I use online bike shops (yes, real bike shops that sell online) and ebay when necessary especially for used parts. I avoid Amazon as much as I possibly can and never use them for bike stuff.
And, as far as the one example I gave - Sram authorized sellers - are you saying that they're lying? I don't think so. I won't argue about it though. I'm a happy and successful ebay purchaser for about 20 years, and have no reason to doubt the honesty of the folks I do business with on that platform. I also use local bike shops for stuff I know that they actually carry, but since it's so often a waste of time shopping locally, I use online bike shops (yes, real bike shops that sell online) and ebay when necessary especially for used parts. I avoid Amazon as much as I possibly can and never use them for bike stuff.
I am saying there is a possibility of lying or selling fakes and knockoffs it is not uncommon at all on these third party platforms. There could also be some legit goods being sold, that is not an impossibility or unrealistic in any sense I have bought legitimate items on ebay in the past as well but I was not buying new parts and mainly again it was records and other things. If I am buying new I can just go to the website and buy through them and cut out ebay and better for everyone.
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