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ahand 05-02-07 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by reinventingevan
Thanks. She's one hell of a girl. We had fun building it and she has fun riding it.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...eysbike4-1.jpg

what kind of bars are those? i've been looking for some in that style.

reinventingevan 05-02-07 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by ahand
what kind of bars are those? i've been looking for some in that style.

They are Mavic TT bars.

sivat 05-02-07 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by BostonFixed
Nope. Smaller pitch chain is more efficient than larger pitch, meaning it feels "easier" to pedal. I'm not an engineer and I don't really understand the math/physics behind it so I can't really explain in any more detail than that. But check out the book entitled "bicycling science" for more on this and other subjects, with enough detail and tables and scientifc data and such to give you a headache for a week.

The difference would be hard to notice for all but the most sensitive riders. We're talking a .1% increase in efficiency. Thats probably why it never caught on. As far as feel because of size, then yes, the gear inches would be the same so it would feel be the same.

onetwentyeight 05-02-07 08:49 PM

i thought it didnt catch on because shimano had a hell of a time getting njs approval. ive seen pictures of a road version too, but only in a catalogue

BostonFixed 05-02-07 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by sivat
The difference would be hard to notice for all but the most sensitive riders. We're talking a .1% increase in efficiency. Thats probably why it never caught on. As far as feel because of size, then yes, the gear inches would be the same so it would feel be the same.

In "bicycling science" an example is referenced of small pitch chain bikes smashing records in the 1930s over 1/2" pitch chains, obviously by such large margins that the chains were banned. I don't have the book in front of me so I can't quote it, nor do I really understand what is actally happening with the physics and such.

BostonFixed 05-02-07 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
i thought it didnt catch on because shimano had a hell of a time getting njs approval. ive seen pictures of a road version too, but only in a catalogue

I believe part of the reason why it didn't get NJS approval because of the efficency gains of 10 pitch over 1/2" pitch. But I could have made that up. I do frequently confuse pipe dream "a-ha" moments with facts.

onetwentyeight 05-02-07 08:55 PM

that would make sense, being it their job to maintain a level playing field.

BostonFixed 05-02-07 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
ive seen pictures of a road version too, but only in a catalogue

Ooh. Got a link?

onetwentyeight 05-02-07 09:19 PM

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~uc6y-ssk...imano76_03.jpg

best i can find... look at the little ones in the lower right

sivat 05-02-07 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by BostonFixed
In "bicycling science" an example is referenced of small pitch chain bikes smashing records in the 1930s over 1/2" pitch chains, obviously by such large margins that the chains were banned. I don't have the book in front of me so I can't quote it, nor do I really understand what is actally happening with the physics and such.

Let me know if you find it. The only mention of varying pitch i can find is on page 321 where he mentions an 8mm pitch chain being used in 1909 to break records. Though it doesn't really specify if the chain had much to do with the record breaking. His basic point is that if you were to keep the same diameter cog but run a smaller pitch than 1/2", you would be able to have more teeth. More teeth means better efficiency. But that means the overall diameters of the chainring and cog would be the same, but the tooth count would be different. so a 46/13 in 1/2" pitch would feel the same as 46/13 in 10mm pitch. the benefit would be gained if you went to 58/16 which have the same diameter as 46/13 in 1/2" pitch and be approx. the same gear ratio.

As for the shimano stuff, I don't have any direct knowledge of the history of it, so I'll leave that to the others.

sniks 05-02-07 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by john_and_off
are those hubs dura-ace or campy...?


campy

jonb 05-03-07 12:36 AM

Last one, I promise. Bars... wrap.. I know.

http://velospace.org/files/yampro.jpg

savier_pdx 05-03-07 12:49 AM

oh my.

Son of ronex 05-03-07 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by jonb
Last one, I promise. Bars... wrap.. I know.

http://velospace.org/files/yampro.jpg


dont be silly ....no tape , unless its white toshi cloth

fix 05-03-07 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Son of ronex
dont be silly ....no tape , unless its white toshi cloth

I agree, I think they look great bare.

sashae 05-03-07 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by jonb
Last one, I promise. Bars... wrap.. I know.

http://velospace.org/files/yampro.jpg

You should really wrap and plug your bars.

sniks 05-03-07 07:20 AM

Jonb it looks fantastic bars wrapped or not.

team neal 05-03-07 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by sashae
You should really wrap and plug your bars.


or at least plug. thigh core sample=bad news

john_and_off 05-03-07 08:23 AM

that **** is the bomb.com, no matter what happens to the bars!

and thanks for the tip on the campy hubs, sniks...

LóFarkas 05-03-07 08:50 AM

Did you guys team up to rob a bank or what?
Lots of hot bikes recently...

Danhalen 05-03-07 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by team neal
or at least plug. thigh core sample=bad news

Impossible with bullhorns. Now it might be nice to avoid a core sample of the back of the person riding in front of you... :D

sniks 05-03-07 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Danhalen
Impossible with bullhorns. Now it might be nice to avoid a core sample of the back of the person riding in front of you... :D


but a cheek core shot is not outta the question.
riding without bar plugs is dangerous.......like riding without brakes ,but we do it anyway.oh well.

DannyRocks 05-03-07 09:55 AM

Plugs don't usually hurt the sexification factor like brakes...

espanol 05-03-07 10:50 AM

Bar wrap adds too much weight to your bike...might as well ditch the bars too..My excuse for no bar wrap is that I suck at wrapping them.

BostonFixed 05-03-07 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by sivat
Let me know if you find it. The only mention of varying pitch i can find is on page 321 where he mentions an 8mm pitch chain being used in 1909 to break records. Though it doesn't really specify if the chain had much to do with the record breaking. His basic point is that if you were to keep the same diameter cog but run a smaller pitch than 1/2", you would be able to have more teeth. More teeth means better efficiency. But that means the overall diameters of the chainring and cog would be the same, but the tooth count would be different. so a 46/13 in 1/2" pitch would feel the same as 46/13 in 10mm pitch. the benefit would be gained if you went to 58/16 which have the same diameter as 46/13 in 1/2" pitch and be approx. the same gear ratio.

As for the shimano stuff, I don't have any direct knowledge of the history of it, so I'll leave that to the others.

Huh, maybe that's what I was referring to. I guess I confused the specifics a little. It sounds like you really know what you are talking about.


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