Kilo TT RAW - For those that ask & for opinions
#51
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YES - it will be like the $1500 aluminum track pro bikes you see; except a bit better parts
and priced about $795
I admit the increasing value of Yen makes all things Shimano hard to spec; but I really want this bike in DuraAce
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I am going to bring both frame only and complete bike
Not everyone likes this RAW look, but enough people do that we can easy sell a production run
I like offering choices {I have coming in small sizes 2 different pinks, a purple, an apple green, a cesleste blue, and something else I forgot}
And I am going to work hard to get these 'flake' or intense metailic colors in; I am looking forward to that myself.
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I am ordering about 8 sample frame tubes painted with metal flake type colors
these will not be easy to photo - as flash will change them and make hot spots
but I must have lots of light to see flake well
But somehow, I will get good photos and post - I really want input on the best Flakes to use
[they are tubes only]
One of the colors is brazzare - a BLACK with long flakes that turn silver or blue or gold depending on now the light hits it. Then I have a WhiteSplash, GreenLite, RedLite, OrangeStar, BlueStar, DarkStar {which is rich metallic gray} and GoldDigger [the gold is almost like a custom bass boat ~ very wild]
Anyway, I will order Flake Paint in bikes and framesets along with the RAW version
and these will be on a KILO TT we will call THE STRIPPER [my wife's idea] as they are stripped of all decals
and they will get MKS track pedals with Gold cages, a Gold Chain, a bit tricker seat, and zero decals [except reynolds sticker]
I'll do the Flakes first
then Pearls and Fades later
Probably do this type special run every 3 months or so
Already on the way for June - small sizes in FIFI PINK, APPLE PIE, SWAK PINK, GRAPE SODA, CESELSTE BLUE, CREAMCICLE --
I like lots of colors [although factory is complaining a bit and must think I am nuts]
Have Fun
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#60
I'm not that stoked on the raw, but I'm ALL FOR bikes direct offering more bikes without the decals, or at least putting decals OVER the clearcoat.
Speaking as a Motobecane Messenger owner, if there's one thing that makes the bikesdirect bikes a hard sell, it's the ABYSMAL aesthetics, ESPECIALLY the decals/branding.
If they were easier to remove, so you could get a no-logoed frame in some simple colors, I'd think you'd sell a lot more bikes.
The STRIPPER is a great idea. It would be even better if you'd make that an option across ALL product lines. I'm considering a road bike, but the Motobecane/Windsor/Mercier branding is so tacky that it's going to be tough for me to buy one from bikesdirect even if I'm saving some money by doing so.
Speaking as a Motobecane Messenger owner, if there's one thing that makes the bikesdirect bikes a hard sell, it's the ABYSMAL aesthetics, ESPECIALLY the decals/branding.
If they were easier to remove, so you could get a no-logoed frame in some simple colors, I'd think you'd sell a lot more bikes.
The STRIPPER is a great idea. It would be even better if you'd make that an option across ALL product lines. I'm considering a road bike, but the Motobecane/Windsor/Mercier branding is so tacky that it's going to be tough for me to buy one from bikesdirect even if I'm saving some money by doing so.
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I think it is real important to keep prices where people can afford the bikes
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I'm not that stoked on the raw, but I'm ALL FOR bikes direct offering more bikes without the decals, or at least putting decals OVER the clearcoat.
Speaking as a Motobecane Messenger owner, if there's one thing that makes the bikesdirect bikes a hard sell, it's the ABYSMAL aesthetics, ESPECIALLY the decals/branding.
If they were easier to remove, so you could get a no-logoed frame in some simple colors, I'd think you'd sell a lot more bikes.
The STRIPPER is a great idea. It would be even better if you'd make that an option across ALL product lines. I'm considering a road bike, but the Motobecane/Windsor/Mercier branding is so tacky that it's going to be tough for me to buy one from bikesdirect even if I'm saving some money by doing so.
Speaking as a Motobecane Messenger owner, if there's one thing that makes the bikesdirect bikes a hard sell, it's the ABYSMAL aesthetics, ESPECIALLY the decals/branding.
If they were easier to remove, so you could get a no-logoed frame in some simple colors, I'd think you'd sell a lot more bikes.
The STRIPPER is a great idea. It would be even better if you'd make that an option across ALL product lines. I'm considering a road bike, but the Motobecane/Windsor/Mercier branding is so tacky that it's going to be tough for me to buy one from bikesdirect even if I'm saving some money by doing so.
Reaction on Road bikes to Motobecane, Windsor, Mercier, and Dawes has been great. But we also sell Kestrel and Bottecchia bikes. And we sell some frames that are 'naked'. Plus there are some new designs on Motobecanes coming this spring / summer that have gotten very good reaction. Like this:

and a lot of people like the simple look on the Ti bikes:

Of course, I am open to all sorts of options:
My main goal is to keep prices really good and quality really high.
I do not know how to measure 'tacky' vs great looks; but I know I think an Ultegra road bike that is $3500 is tacky and DuraAce at $6000 is beyond tacky. I like lots of performance for the buck.
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#66
I do not know how to measure 'tacky' vs great looks;
Any bikesdirect bike with the branding/logos/decals - TACKY
Any bikesdirect bike without the branding/logos/decals - GOOD LOOKING AND POSSIBLY GREAT LOOKING.
Those two Motobecanes (red/white & Ti) you posted?
Remove the frame/fork labeling, and you've got two smokin' bikes.
Seriously, you offer a logo-free version of that red and white bike, and I'll look into buying one this summer.
Like I said, I OWN a Motobecane Messenger, and I LOVE the bang for the buck bikesdirect offers.
I've covered up the logos with white reflective tape, but just about everybody I ride with knows it's from Bikesdirect, because I think you guys have the best deal going.
I just wish your complete bikes came with removable decals.
#67
It's easy. Let me give you a real simple lesson.
Any bikesdirect bike with the branding/logos/decals - TACKY
Any bikesdirect bike without the branding/logos/decals - GOOD LOOKING AND POSSIBLY GREAT LOOKING.
Those two Motobecanes (red/white & Ti) you posted?
Remove the frame/fork labeling, and you've got two smokin' bikes.
Any bikesdirect bike with the branding/logos/decals - TACKY
Any bikesdirect bike without the branding/logos/decals - GOOD LOOKING AND POSSIBLY GREAT LOOKING.
Those two Motobecanes (red/white & Ti) you posted?
Remove the frame/fork labeling, and you've got two smokin' bikes.
I can understand the argument that BD bought out names of classic brands and brought them bikes as budget bikes, but WHO CARES! You want them to sell un branded bikes, but then how do they advertise to sell more???
I don't think their graphics are too bad. The Dawes one looks nice and the Mercier HB logo is nice.
Maybe they could use a logo redesign.
So, it it the old classic names being cheapened or just the looks of the graphics?
The decal free bikes should come with NICE Pewter, steel or Aluminum HB only. This way they are decal free, but still have a logo for sales purposes.
I have a BI Kilo and will have a Mercier HB made up soon for it.
#68
One thing I love about SS/FG forum on BF is the input that comes out and so quickly
It is great to hear all these opinions
Love to hear what Fades people would like
Frt to back? Top to Bottom?
Black to Red, Silver to Purple, White to Orange? Etc?
Posts Rock -- Thanks!
It is great to hear all these opinions
Love to hear what Fades people would like
Frt to back? Top to Bottom?
Black to Red, Silver to Purple, White to Orange? Etc?
Posts Rock -- Thanks!
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#69
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I'd say any bike that has decals on it looks tacky. Very few companies have ever been able to pull branding off successfully. People pay for a bike, most don't want to be a moving billboard.
Im more about function over anything, but when you have a nice looking bike and they trash it with branding, its a bit disheartening.
Im more about function over anything, but when you have a nice looking bike and they trash it with branding, its a bit disheartening.
So every bike that has their brand on it tacky? What the hells up with this board? Everyone wants rides BD likes, but everyone hates labels? What about other brands? All tacky as well?
I can understand the argument that BD bought out names of classic brands and brought them bikes as budget bikes, but WHO CARES! You want them to sell un branded bikes, but then how do they advertise to sell more???
I don't think their graphics are too bad. The Dawes one looks nice and the Mercier HB logo is nice.
Maybe they could use a logo redesign.
So, it it the old classic names being cheapened or just the looks of the graphics?
The decal free bikes should come with NICE Pewter, steel or Aluminum HB only. This way they are decal free, but still have a logo for sales purposes.
I have a BI Kilo and will have a Mercier HB made up soon for it.
I can understand the argument that BD bought out names of classic brands and brought them bikes as budget bikes, but WHO CARES! You want them to sell un branded bikes, but then how do they advertise to sell more???
I don't think their graphics are too bad. The Dawes one looks nice and the Mercier HB logo is nice.
Maybe they could use a logo redesign.
So, it it the old classic names being cheapened or just the looks of the graphics?
The decal free bikes should come with NICE Pewter, steel or Aluminum HB only. This way they are decal free, but still have a logo for sales purposes.
I have a BI Kilo and will have a Mercier HB made up soon for it.

#70
I'd say any bike that has decals on it looks tacky. Very few companies have ever been able to pull branding off successfully. People pay for a bike, most don't want to be a moving billboard.
Im more about function over anything, but when you have a nice looking bike and they trash it with branding, its a bit disheartening.
Im more about function over anything, but when you have a nice looking bike and they trash it with branding, its a bit disheartening.
But their are plenty of bikes with nice graphics. If I like my bike and I am proud of it, I have NO problems with a name on it.
My Madison looks nice from Schwinn. My Blue Competition road bike is done well. My Klein(s) were perfect. My Wife's Spec(s) looks good.
Again, there are many, mnay bikes with good branding. Should cars have no badges as well?
#71
"Should cars have no badges as well?"
Yes.
The "brand" obsession is kind of a nouveau riche American thing. Imported cars have actually had to add logos for the US market. (Have you seen the size of the Mercedes logos lately?)
Meanwhile in Germany, buyers of M5s and the like actually request the badging be removed, so as not to seem ostentatious. Those in the know will know, and there's no point in showing off.
Some logos are good, but the Bikes Direct bikes branding, IMHO looks pretty tacky, and it wouldn't cost them any money to leave them off, or ship the decals in the box to be added at the buyer's option.
But maybe I just hate branding. I think the Trek Madone branding looks pretty tacky as well, and that's a $9k bike.
Yes.
The "brand" obsession is kind of a nouveau riche American thing. Imported cars have actually had to add logos for the US market. (Have you seen the size of the Mercedes logos lately?)
Meanwhile in Germany, buyers of M5s and the like actually request the badging be removed, so as not to seem ostentatious. Those in the know will know, and there's no point in showing off.
Some logos are good, but the Bikes Direct bikes branding, IMHO looks pretty tacky, and it wouldn't cost them any money to leave them off, or ship the decals in the box to be added at the buyer's option.
But maybe I just hate branding. I think the Trek Madone branding looks pretty tacky as well, and that's a $9k bike.
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I am ordering about 8 sample frame tubes painted with metal flake type colors
these will not be easy to photo - as flash will change them and make hot spots
but I must have lots of light to see flake well
But somehow, I will get good photos and post - I really want input on the best Flakes to use
[they are tubes only]
One of the colors is brazzare - a BLACK with long flakes that turn silver or blue or gold depending on now the light hits it. Then I have a WhiteSplash, GreenLite, RedLite, OrangeStar, BlueStar, DarkStar {which is rich metallic gray} and GoldDigger [the gold is almost like a custom bass boat ~ very wild]
Anyway, I will order Flake Paint in bikes and framesets along with the RAW version
and these will be on a KILO TT we will call THE STRIPPER [my wife's idea] as they are stripped of all decals
and they will get MKS track pedals with Gold cages, a Gold Chain, a bit tricker seat, and zero decals [except reynolds sticker]
I'll do the Flakes first
then Pearls and Fades later
Probably do this type special run every 3 months or so
Already on the way for June - small sizes in FIFI PINK, APPLE PIE, SWAK PINK, GRAPE SODA, CESELSTE BLUE, CREAMCICLE --
I like lots of colors [although factory is complaining a bit and must think I am nuts]
Have Fun
these will not be easy to photo - as flash will change them and make hot spots
but I must have lots of light to see flake well
But somehow, I will get good photos and post - I really want input on the best Flakes to use
[they are tubes only]
One of the colors is brazzare - a BLACK with long flakes that turn silver or blue or gold depending on now the light hits it. Then I have a WhiteSplash, GreenLite, RedLite, OrangeStar, BlueStar, DarkStar {which is rich metallic gray} and GoldDigger [the gold is almost like a custom bass boat ~ very wild]
Anyway, I will order Flake Paint in bikes and framesets along with the RAW version
and these will be on a KILO TT we will call THE STRIPPER [my wife's idea] as they are stripped of all decals
and they will get MKS track pedals with Gold cages, a Gold Chain, a bit tricker seat, and zero decals [except reynolds sticker]
I'll do the Flakes first
then Pearls and Fades later
Probably do this type special run every 3 months or so
Already on the way for June - small sizes in FIFI PINK, APPLE PIE, SWAK PINK, GRAPE SODA, CESELSTE BLUE, CREAMCICLE --
I like lots of colors [although factory is complaining a bit and must think I am nuts]
Have Fun








